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  1. ripomatic ripomatic is offline

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    Dec 28th, 2011 (12/28/2011 7:23pm)

    This was a live tourney but want to hear feedback for cash too.

    Im in the cutoff,blinds 100/200 stacks are effective 30bbs, utg limps, folds to me, I limp A3dd,

    Blinds call, flop Ac57dd, check to me. ( I min raised and scooped)

    Normally i check this in a tourney. (thoughts) was looking to build the pot a little thinking anyone connected would call.

    If someone lead bets do you flat or RR?

    In a cash game i feel you bet about half the pot everytime. ( thoughts)
    Edited By: ripomatic Dec 29th, 2011 at 01:26 AM
  2. Tourney Tourney is offline

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    Dec 28th, 2011 (12/28/2011 8:21pm) in reply to ripomatic

    raise to like 500-700 pre, iso the donk limper (unless you think his limping range is really tight then i prob just fold the hand pre)

    Did you min raise or min bet? if you min bet and they all folded they had real trash and there was no way u were gonna extract any value.
  3. ripomatic ripomatic is offline

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    Dec 28th, 2011 (12/28/2011 9:15pm) in reply to Tourney

     
    Originally Posted by Tourney View Post

    raise to like 500-700 pre, iso the donk limper (unless you think his limping range is really tight then i prob just fold the hand pre)

    Did you min raise or min bet? if you min bet and they all folded they had real trash and there was no way u were gonna extract any value.

    Not to be ungreatful but im looking for a little more indepth thinking on post flop play here. Especially when deep/cash. I feel this is a common situation where a flop hits pretty hard and you have to balance aggression, information, value.
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  4. bonflizubi bonflizubi is offline

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    Dec 28th, 2011 (12/28/2011 9:35pm) in reply to ripomatic

     
    Originally Posted by ripomatic View Post

    Not to be ungreatful but im looking for a little more indepth thinking on post flop play here. Especially when deep/cash. I feel this is a common situation where a flop hits pretty hard and you have to balance aggression, information, value.

    I don't think too many people would find 30bb to be deepstacked.

    I Like your bet there btw. If noone was connected noone was going to pay you regardless.
     
  5. josephf josephf is offline

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    Dec 28th, 2011 (12/28/2011 9:41pm) in reply to bonflizubi

    I would raise pre or fold, really no point in limping weak suited aces from that position in a tournament IMO. I have found from live tournament experience that it is profitable and easy to punish limpers, because they will usually toss their hand away post flop if they miss.
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    Dec 29th, 2011 (12/29/2011 1:39am) in reply to josephf

    dunno why ure beaking at the replies, theyre both right
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  7. shawdeep shawdeep is offline

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    Dec 29th, 2011 (12/29/2011 1:46am) in reply to ripomatic

     
    Originally Posted by ripomatic View Post

    Not to be ungreatful but im looking for a little more indepth thinking on post flop play here. Especially when deep/cash. I feel this is a common situation where a flop hits pretty hard and you have to balance aggression, information, value.

    as played, im never checking behind on this board. i would bet.
    def raise if someone leads. either cash or tourny. i think flatting with your hand here would be god awful
    Edited By: shawdeep Dec 29th, 2011 at 01:47 AM
  8. RedIceRap RedIceRap is offline Moderator

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    Dec 29th, 2011 (12/29/2011 6:01am) in reply to Tourney

     
    Originally Posted by Tourney View Post

    raise to like 500-700 pre, iso the donk limper (unless you think his limping range is really tight then i prob just fold the hand pre)

    Did you min raise or min bet? if you min bet and they all folded they had real trash and there was no way u were gonna extract any value.

    if i know limpers range is rly tight wouldnt it be a better reason to limp spekulative hands since u will get paid more often if u hit?
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