yes, i think hes turning over either AK or AA, those are by far the most common hands right here, and you still have to worry about reraiseallin, he may wake up with KK or AA.

yea, its 10/20, why is this a factor?

standard fold i think

Cant imagine him having AA or K K here dont know whay youd assume that , i think AK-AQ , 88-JJ are much more likely . Hes in the cutoff seeing a raise from seat before him , dont see why this means he has aces or kings or queens .
I think you're up against an overpair or AK-AJ .

Obviousy theres exceptions . If hes been pushing alot lately and more likely to be called by a hand that woouldnt call someone elses raise - would be very decpeptive to push with AA , K K .

There are players that early on dont want to mess around , and are always scared of getting 'sucked out on' . Ive seen some of these guys make hhuge overbets and actually have aces and kings .

Logically speaking though , this doesnt seem to be a huge hand . Would not be shocked if it was , cos ive seen this play many times and a few of them have had huge hands , but if you look at this straightforward - you should have the better hand many time shere , and sometimes a coiflip. I think an aggressive player calls here .

He had aces though hu?

"He can have KQ off suit and you are not even favored"

-Mike the Mouth--sorta

lol

id hope not = (

Usually I will not make this call early on but in the stars 150 you are so shallow stacked early that I tend to gamble a bit - if I double up in that tourney I feel like I tend to make it very deep if I double up early but don't do that often. For that reason I think the call is okay...

I mean maybe I'm crazy or I just really REALLY overestimate people, though I think I do alright, but I just absolutely cannot believe that this man is going to shove for 1500 over the top of a 3x raise in the first level of a $162 tournament with a hand that JJ is beating. How someone (and again another very good player) could put 77 in his hand range is like qwejkrbhkwle;megjn.

Seeing as youre still in this tournament, I'm sure the guy had, um, 77, and I'm about to look silly, but I'm gonna be decision-based and not result-based here and say it's a very, very pointless call, 99% of the time.

He had AQ and I doubled up.

It was all for not however as 5 minutes ago Pearljammer PWNED me with his AA against my KK.

I guess the fact that he shoves for 1500 over the top of 60 instantly makes him pretty donkish, which therefore automatically increases his hand range, but I'd still fold here every time. I just don't think it helps you that much to be right here, and you still had to win the coinflip...

Either way, good call this time, and I guess that's what matters... I guess =(.

calling this all day in the 162

It's never too early to flip a coin when you are favored.

And yes, it seems like theyve rigged poker to be unrigged lately :-P

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if you need to get really lucky to win then its an easy call.<br><br>if you are confident in your play and can build a stack without huge gambles then its an easy fold.
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It's quite hard to build a huge stack without taking gambles...

ZaiGezunt, you seem to repeatedly contradict yourself. I'm not defending the call here, but I think you post lacks coherant thought.

I definitely don't think this is an automatic call. I've seen lots of poor players do this massive overbet with AA or KK, praying someone thinks they are bluffing or pushing with something like AQ. They hate playing postflop and are just trying to double up with a huge hand.

Would anyone even concern themselves with the initial raiser that still has to act after you? What if you knew him to be very loose or aggressive?