Final 7 of a satellite to ANZPT Sydney. 5 get seats.

pokerstars Game #25553880428: Tournament #144784708, $200+$15 Hold'em No Limit - Level IX (200/400) - 2009/03/03 8:05:59 ET
Table '144784708 1' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 2: Newieutd (27853 in chips)
Seat 3: MONGO_U (5777 in chips)
Seat 4: Random Q (9202 in chips)
Seat 6: barcs69 (20438 in chips)
Seat 7: M1play (24892 in chips)
Seat 8: vendray (17180 in chips)
Seat 9: luckyshades (8658 in chips)
Newieutd: posts the ante 50
MONGO_U: posts the ante 50
Random Q: posts the ante 50
barcs69: posts the ante 50
M1play: posts the ante 50
vendray: posts the ante 50
luckyshades: posts the ante 50
MONGO_U: posts small blind 200
Random Q: posts big blind 400
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to luckyshades [Ad As]
barcs69: folds
M1play: folds
vendray: folds
luckyshades: raises 595 to 995
Newieutd: folds
MONGO_U: calls 795
Random Q: folds
*** FLOP *** [5h 2h Qc]
MONGO_U: checks
luckyshades: bets 1395
MONGO_U: calls 1395
*** TURN *** [5h 2h Qc] [Ts]
MONGO_U: checks
luckyshades: bets 4000
MONGO_U said, "grr"
Random Q said, "$60 isnt that bad mongo"
barcs69 said, "lol"
Newieutd said, "i hear bears"
MONGO_U said, "lol, got nothing but a massive drawnig hand"
Random Q said, "call"
Random Q said, "you'll hit"
barcs69 said, "lolololo"
Newieutd said, "i sense it"
Random Q said, "it pstars remember"
MONGO_U said, "think i have to"
Random Q said, "you prob got q 10"
Random Q said, "lol"
Newieutd said, "105"
Newieutd said, "12"
MONGO_U: calls 3337 and is all-in
Uncalled bet (663) returned to luckyshades
barcs69 said, "KJh?"
*** RIVER *** [5h 2h Qc Ts] [8h]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
MONGO_U: shows [Kh Jh] (a flush, King high)
luckyshades: shows [Ad As] (a pair of Aces)
MONGO_U collected 12204 from pot
Random Q said, "flush"
Random Q said, "lmao"

Rule 9 on the Pokerstars website states:

Poker is an individual (not a team) game. Any action or chat intended to help another player is unethical and is prohibited.

I understand the guy may well have called anyway (but he truly was terrible and I think there is a very good chance he folds). He tanked for over a minute before calling, and only did so well after 2 other players at the table not involved in the hand told him to call.

I obviously reported it to Stars, but a friend of mine told me I was being ridiculous. I'm interested to get others thoughts.

UPDATE - Stars determined that because this player is new and didn't know better it's perfectly fine for him to break the rules of the site, so as to not offend him.

I'm looking forward to registering for this event as a PokerStars player since I have already won a seat, although somehow I don't think they will really appreciate my choice of attire.

Looks like it's time to spend some of those Full Tilt points in the store.

If you ever get caught cheating at Stars, make sure you tell them you didn't know any better.

There is no maybe about it, of course I'm tilted.

But the question is whether or not they broke the rules of the site here and if so, what should happen ??

Should they have been quiet, definitely. But, in a weird way here, they are more helping themselves than helping Mongo. If Mongo calls there, everyone at the table who isn't in the hand wins. Either Mongo is gone or you will have very few chips.

Also, with the chips he's thrown in, if he's bad, he probably is folding. He's a short stack here.

So, though it may have been wrong for them to talk (and you have every right to forward it on), I think after that, you really need to just shake it off. You weren't cheated, a shorty made a borderline call and hit.

I notice you aren't saying anything when he calls the preflop or the flop when your a monster leader. Your really only crying about the river when he sucks out on you

Also, in fairness to him, he can probably put himself on close to 18 outs here (any heart, ace, king, or 9) can help him in his mind. Sure, tons of those outs aren't there, but he isn't going to realize it (I don't see you screaming you have AA at any point here.

there telling him to call as other poster wrote if he calls someone will/will be close to out.

i dont have a problem with this i can see the humor in them typing its no biggie thats just my perception, would be interesting to see stars response but i cant see them taking action,

you played the hand poorly for a sattelite. sucks but it happens.

One player per hand. They were out of line. Wonder what Pstars reaction will be.

 

Originally Posted by lordxixor101

So, though it may have been wrong for them to talk (and you have every right to forward it on), I think after that, you really need to just shake it off. You weren't cheated, a shorty made a borderline call and hit.

 

Originally Posted by lordxixor101

Also, in fairness to him, he can probably put himself on close to 18 outs here (any heart, ace, king, or 9) can help him in his mind. Sure, tons of those outs aren't there, but he isn't going to realize it (I don't see you screaming you have AA at any point here.

This. Not cool that they were talking, but I think I would have called if I was in his position whether or not they said something to me.

Someone did ask a good question above though - would you have been upset and reported him if you had won the hand?

lol at ya'll saying this is OK.

Look at the way villain played the hand, why didn't he shove or c/r the flop? I think it is more than possible he was folding the turn if not for the chat especially since he tanked so hard before calling.

the bottom line is 1 player per hand...any maybes or would haves do not matter. as far as wha stars is to do idk. curious myself to find out

Probably have to prove the intention to help him in the hand. If anything they are trying to help you by influencing him into calling with a dog hand. Luck is part of the game. Bad etiquette yes. Smoking gun for cheating? Not by a long shot.

Hi All,

Just to set the record straight in a public forum, please view below my response to Pokerstars regarding the matter and my apology to luckyshades.

In short, i'll be keeping my mouth shut at tables in the future and i know ignorance is not an excuse.

If you want to abuse me, fine. If you don't, thank you. At least I have stood up and acknowledged my stupidity.

I will be posting same on all other forums where this matter has been discussed.

Random Q

** Update @ 10:30pm QLD time.... outcome and comments between myself and 'luckyshades' can also be viewed at http://www.pokernetwork.com/forums/m...g-about-5.html **

This will most likely save me from doubling up on responses.

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Hello xxxxxx,

It has come to our attention that during hand #25553880428 you made some
comments during the play of a hand regarding team cooperation or activities
intended to assist particular players at your table. I have copied the hand
history/chat below. Rule 9 from our tournament rules page states:

"Poker is an individual (not a team) game. Any action or chat intended to
help another player is unethical and is prohibited. Unethical play, such as
soft-play and chip dumping, may result in penalties, including seizure of
funds from the offender's account and/or termination of the account."

The full set of tournament rules is available at:

Poker Stars - Poker Tournament Rules

Comments such as yours violate this rule. In future tournaments please
refrain from making any comments that could be construed as suggesting or
agreeing to cooperative play between players. It is against the rules to
assist or to suggest that anyone else assist another player.

You are a valued player at PokerStars and I'm sure you understand that these
rules are in place to insure the integrity of our games for all players,
yourself included. Thank you for choosing PokerStars as your online card room.

Regards,

Michael J
PokerStars Game Security Team

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Thank you for your email Michael,

I sensed that Tim 'luckyshades' Horan was a little disturbed at the events that took place by his reaction. I now have full understanding of the rules and can see how my comments, and those of 'Newieutd' could be interpreted as such albeit they were not intended to sway or influence the decision of 'Mongo_U' from continuing on with the hand.

I attach a screen dump (pdf) whereby he explains to another player later in the night that his intention was to always play the hand. 'Mongo_U' has also stated that he is happy to co-operate and discuss this with a member of the Pokerstars Team should his take on the events need to be heard.

If you are conversing with Tim please pass on my apologies and I'm now wiser from the experience, however I am familiar with Tim and he is a respected identity in Australian Poker, and I must say I was disappointed and disturbed with the verbal abuse, threats and attacks that were directed to me at the conclusion of the Tournament, so much so I am considering opening a new account to avoid future conflict and attacks. His actions (in this instance) were inappropriate.

Just to clarify Michael, what is the outcome from here? Do the results stand?

Please confirm and thanks again for addressing this matter promptly.

Regards,

xxxxxx