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Final 15 of 19.5k on FTP... WWYD?

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  1. mindtrip954 mindtrip954 is offline

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    Nov 22nd, 2010 (11/22/2010 10:24pm)

    Full Tilt Poker Game #25779223648: $19,500 Guarantee (199727432), Table 85 - 4000/8000 Ante 1000 - No Limit Hold'em - 17:12:00 ET - 2010/11/22
    Seat 2: mindtrip954 (73,921)
    Seat 3: mlgib2182 (168,320)
    Seat 4: Matthijs313 (127,367)
    Seat 5: MightyAndy_1 (354,265)
    Seat 6: jurriaan0666 (288,872)
    Seat 7: gripps157 (247,147)
    Seat 8: 1_nastyriver (374,007)
    Seat 9: BusTriver (92,290)
    mindtrip954 antes 1,000
    mlgib2182 antes 1,000
    Matthijs313 antes 1,000
    MightyAndy_1 antes 1,000
    jurriaan0666 antes 1,000
    gripps157 antes 1,000
    1_nastyriver antes 1,000
    BusTriver antes 1,000
    mindtrip954 posts the small blind of 4,000
    mlgib2182 posts the big blind of 8,000
    The button is in seat #1
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to mindtrip954 [Th Ts]
    Matthijs313 folds
    MightyAndy_1 folds
    jurriaan0666 raises to 32,000
    gripps157 folds
    1_nastyriver has 15 seconds left to act
    1_nastyriver has requested TIME
    1_nastyriver raises to 373,007, and is all in
    BusTriver folds
    mindtrip954 has 15 seconds left to act
    mindtrip954 has requested TIME
    mindtrip954 ????

    15 left, Im 13th in chips at the time, jurian is 3rd, and 1nasty is CL. I had not seen jurian 4x pre prior to this. If I call and win Im 5th in chips with 15 left and I have a very fun stack where I can be picking up blinds and such. What kinda ranges are we putting the otehr 2 guys on, and what are we doing?
  2. JJDude JJDude is offline

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    Nov 22nd, 2010 (11/22/2010 10:26pm) in reply to mindtrip954

    I think with your desperate stack of <10 BB's you should be calling here. Chances are you'll be headsup with shover with dead money in pot.
     
  3. Gags30 Gags30 is offline

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    Nov 22nd, 2010 (11/22/2010 10:31pm) in reply to JJDude

    would fold pretty quickly..also, our chip stack has basically 0 bearing on our decision here
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  4. CayneB CayneB is offline

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    Nov 22nd, 2010 (11/22/2010 10:32pm) in reply to JJDude

     
    Originally Posted by JJDude View Post

    I think with your desperate stack of <10 BB's you should be calling here. Chances are you'll be headsup with shover with dead money in pot.

    ^This. I'm calling off here myself.
  5. Brunson10 Brunson10 is offline

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    Nov 22nd, 2010 (11/22/2010 10:39pm) in reply to CayneB

    I'd muck it.....if nasty is competant I doubt he's shoving into the 3rd largest stack without a hand that's ahead of 10's.......AK the best you could hope for
  6. Wretchy Wretchy is offline whatslogic

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    Nov 22nd, 2010 (11/22/2010 10:42pm) in reply to Brunson10

    i watched it happen, def dont mind ur play
     
  7. mindtrip954 mindtrip954 is offline

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    Nov 22nd, 2010 (11/22/2010 10:50pm) in reply to Wretchy

     
    Originally Posted by Wretchy View Post

    i watched it happen, def dont mind ur play

    Did you see the hand I ended up going out on? I didnt save it, but it was a button shove, and I called off with 7bbs with 89hh. Did it make sense to stack off there? I was basically hoping to be up against random broadways, and some weak A's? I felt I was close to 40/60 against the 11bbs button.
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  8. DrDankRx23 DrDankRx23 is offline

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    Nov 22nd, 2010 (11/22/2010 10:58pm) in reply to mindtrip954

    4X open and then 40+BB shove..hmmmm i wish i was good enough to fold 1010 here but Iam not so I snap it
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  9. mindtrip954 mindtrip954 is offline

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    Nov 22nd, 2010 (11/22/2010 11:37pm) in reply to Gags30

     
    Originally Posted by Gags30 View Post

    would fold pretty quickly..also, our chip stack has basically 0 bearing on our decision here

    My immediate thought was that I had to fold. IMO 4x is often 99-JJ, and AQ+ So I wouldve felt comfortable shipping it against the initial raiser. The 40bbs reshove is what really threw me off. The only way he is shipping semi light is if he thinks the original raiser has a strong but vulnerable hand that he would fold, but even if he is shoving light, im likely a coinflip at best... Reshoving the 40bbs looks really strong, so unless he was just on another level to get the first raiser to fold, I think I have to fold here...

    I ended up folding, and there was no showdown, so I'll never know... after that I went on to get an endless string of 83 and 72os, and ended up getting it in 89hh vs KJos..

    thanks for the responses....
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  10. pokerproplaya08 pokerproplaya08 is offline

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    Nov 23rd, 2010 (11/23/2010 12:28am) in reply to mindtrip954

    sigh fold if u dont think hes reshipping light, but just snap if ur oi tbh
  11. m_hawk_1 m_hawk_1 is offline

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    Nov 23rd, 2010 (11/23/2010 4:17am) in reply to pokerproplaya08

    I think you have to call here. The 4x is going to be folding so much of the time that you're getting a heap of overlay and I think you can discount AA/KK a bit on this shove... I'd say you're up against AK more than any other hand.
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  12. NarcoCop NarcoCop is offline

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    Nov 23rd, 2010 (11/23/2010 4:21am) in reply to m_hawk_1

     
    Originally Posted by m_hawk_1 View Post

    I think you have to call here. The 4x is going to be folding so much of the time that you're getting a heap of overlay and I think you can discount AA/KK a bit on this shove... I'd say you're up against AK more than any other hand.

    ^^^^^ this and QQ
     
  13. Pick6man Pick6man is offline

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    Nov 23rd, 2010 (11/23/2010 8:02am) in reply to NarcoCop

    Never gonna debate with the guys that made a gazillion $ playing poker so if it is a clear fold than that is what it is. Obv you have the orig 4x raiser in the mix as well but assuming he folds getting a juicy 1.7 to 1 needing around 37% seems awful tempting as TT is 36.4% against QQ+,AKs,AKo. If you take out the AA you get up to 40%.

    Just sucks to blind down anymore here and AK shows up a ton here and QQ is harder to be dealt. Agree this is a fold but sure is tempting to reach for the fuggit button and hope for a race.
     
  14. emptypockets emptypockets is offline

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    Nov 23rd, 2010 (11/23/2010 11:40am) in reply to Pick6man

    I would call here. I may be wrong, but I wouldn't take mid pps 77+ out of shover's range. But at best you are flipping like most ppl are saying, which I wouldn't mind a good flip at this point with our stack. Obviously it would be an absolute killer if villain flipped over JJ, which I can see him shoving more than most hands here. I'd still prolly call tho.
  15. daphishermen daphishermen is offline

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    Nov 23rd, 2010 (11/23/2010 1:50pm) in reply to emptypockets

    I'm calling here for sure
     
  16. apresthus apresthus is offline

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    Nov 23rd, 2010 (11/23/2010 1:57pm) in reply to daphishermen

    With no reads i am folding here. Dont think your doing to hot verse any of their ranges, and as gags said, ur chipstack shouldnt influence you to call here.

    I guess i coulda just said "what gags said" but ya...
    Edited By: apresthus Nov 23rd, 2010 at 01:58 PM
  17. 4Aces1King1 4Aces1King1 is offline

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    Nov 23rd, 2010 (11/23/2010 2:09pm) in reply to apresthus

    In this situation i would fold if i had double the amount of chips to lose, but with under 10 BB's i'm clicking call very quickly.
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