For the record, I think this play is as std as it gets. However, a good friend of mine who's game I have ALOT of respect disagrees with me. Just wanted some other opinions cause its been bugging me.

Villain was moved to table with short stack a rotation or two ago and I dont remember him playing a hand yet.
Full Tilt Poker Game #9049381190: $21,000 Guarantee (69089120), Table 31 - 4000/8000 Ante 1000 - No Limit Hold'em - 22:27:43 ET - 2008/11/18
Seat 1: CryAndSmile (165,293)
Seat 2: topless101 (121,214)
Seat 3: DrewMeister1 (113,819)
Seat 4: HDfatboy56 (151,812)
Seat 5: bgr9292 (73,698)
Seat 6: keylow63 (133,960)
Seat 7: guntram1 (30,130)
Seat 9: Gburgs806 (76,744)
CryAndSmile antes 1,000
topless101 antes 1,000
DrewMeister1 antes 1,000
HDfatboy56 antes 1,000
bgr9292 antes 1,000
keylow63 antes 1,000
guntram1 antes 1,000
Gburgs806 antes 1,000
CryAndSmile posts the small blind of 4,000
topless101 posts the big blind of 8,000
The button is in seat #9
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to keylow63 [Qs Ac]
DrewMeister1 folds
HDfatboy56 folds
bgr9292 raises to 72,698, and is all in
keylow63 ?????

I think this is probably a call but his M is surprisingly high for the number of blinds he has. Any reads?

 

Originally Posted by NeverScaredB

I think this is probably a call but his M is surprisingly high for the number of blinds he has. Any reads?

no reads, he was just moved and hadn't played a hand yet to my recollection

diff fold over half your stack and imo your in a race at best

 

Originally Posted by ajedrez

sadly the above mentioned post about the structure sucking in these tournaments is spot on. this late in thes huge field 24+2s on FT the antes are so high and with the 10 minutes levels the rest of the tournament is virtually a crapshoot so to have any shot at winning you need to get lucky and win confrontations like this.

Your only behind a couple of hands in this guys range and either way ahead or flipping against the rest so reship and hope to get lucky.

this! and it would be so nice if ftp could at least make some of them 12min levels maybe the earlier once that dont have 1000+fields... but it will never happen i guess

 

Originally Posted by VBILLER

EZ fold
no point raceing this late in the tourny
when his range is most likey TT and up
this looks like an obv AK shove based on the buy in.
so what did you do ?

what?? the guy has 9bbs and you expect him to shove TT+ AK??
he'll probaly shove ATs+ AJo+ KQs 77+ if hes loose throw in KJs KQo JTs Qts any pair...

maybe my range isnt spot on, but i bet my life he isnt shoving TT+AK

do u even play mastap89
you have nothing on your acc info ?

Well here's what happened:
Full Tilt Poker Game #9049381190: $21,000 Guarantee (69089120), Table 31 - 4000/8000 Ante 1000 - No Limit Hold'em - 22:27:43 ET - 2008/11/18
Seat 1: CryAndSmile (165,293)
Seat 2: topless101 (121,214)
Seat 3: DrewMeister1 (113,819)
Seat 4: HDfatboy56 (151,812)
Seat 5: bgr9292 (73,698)
Seat 6: keylow63 (133,960)
Seat 7: guntram1 (30,130)
Seat 9: Gburgs806 (76,744)
CryAndSmile antes 1,000
topless101 antes 1,000
DrewMeister1 antes 1,000
HDfatboy56 antes 1,000
bgr9292 antes 1,000
keylow63 antes 1,000
guntram1 antes 1,000
Gburgs806 antes 1,000
CryAndSmile posts the small blind of 4,000
topless101 posts the big blind of 8,000
The button is in seat #9
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to keylow63 [Qs Ac]
DrewMeister1 folds
HDfatboy56 folds
bgr9292 raises to 72,698, and is all in
keylow63 raises to 132,960, and is all in
guntram1 folds
Gburgs806 folds
CryAndSmile folds
topless101 folds
keylow63 shows [Qs Ac]
bgr9292 shows [Ks Ad]
Uncalled bet of 60,262 returned to keylow63
*** FLOP *** [4h Jd Kd]
*** TURN *** [4h Jd Kd] [Qc]
*** RIVER *** [4h Jd Kd Qc] [5h]
keylow63 shows a pair of Queens
bgr9292 shows a pair of Kings
bgr9292 wins the pot (165,396) with a pair of Kings
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 165,396 | Rake 0
Board: [4h Jd Kd Qc 5h]
Seat 1: CryAndSmile (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 2: topless101 (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 3: DrewMeister1 folded before the Flop
Seat 4: HDfatboy56 folded before the Flop
Seat 5: bgr9292 showed [Ks Ad] and won (165,396) with a pair of Kings
Seat 6: keylow63 showed [Qs Ac] and lost with a pair of Queens
Seat 7: guntram1 folded before the Flop
Seat 9: Gburgs806 (button) folded before the Flop

I snapped shoved this because i figured based on his stack (a little over 7 bb's) his range was almost any Ace, 77 up, maybe 66, and prob KQ. Like I said, I thought this was extremely std cause how much longer can the guy wait around with his stack???? Anyway, sux to be me :(

 

Originally Posted by wandigo

Please don't ever fold here.. ul he had AK but this is a must-ship 99.9999% of the time.

Like i said i snapped shoved with no second thought, it was only after my friend told me this was an easy fold that I started to question the play. My friend has some really good results so I really respect his opinion.

Also if anyone was wondering, my friend told me this was a fold as soon as I told him my hand so he wasnt being results oriented

I have no problem folding here - you're not in a great spot - if you shove to iso, you have a bigger stack behind that might have woken up with a real hand and another that's almost the same size as yours still to act. Also, bgr might be a little short but he's still got about 9 bb and doesn't have to be shoving with atc yet just to pick up blinds and antes, I'd probably put him on a real hand as well - at best you're prolly 60-40, at worst you're looking at QQ+. And, there's 93K or so in the middle, you're less than 2 to one to call.
I obv have no results - so..but that's what I'd do and why

not only do i get it in here...i get it in and i'm pretty excited about it

 

Originally Posted by Counting Bodies

Are people serious when they say this is an ez fold? wowowowow. I confidently reship all in. If you are bgr aren't you shipping in ur AJ's A10's KQ's and probably KJ's and every pair everytime? Saying you're a race at best is crazy. Especially with blinds approaching?

People does not shove as light as they are supossed to, and aplayer down to 7 BB's can easily be someone who's been waiting for a hand, and if that's the case, your AQ is not good. He is shoving EP, not button, not CO.

But the main reason behind folding are the stacks and amount of players yet to act in the hand.

In my first post I said I need to be on the button or the blinds in order to make this call, and I still believe that's the correct decission.

I'd like to hear more from people who say this is a fold and some more reasoning for it cause i think it could make for an interesting discussion, or did anders hit it on head?

The only reason I could see folding here is because the antes and blinds in these are so high, there are a lot of opportunities to pick up pots uncontested. But I dont think I fold here, snap shove imo