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Final Table of 10r. Is this an easy call?

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  1. AlwaysImproving AlwaysImproving is offline

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    Aug 3rd, 2010 (8/3/2010 7:37am)

    10k on ftp. $10 1r 1a. My read on villain is he was more on the tighter side.

    Seat 1: madwin1 ($278,084)
    Seat 2: normankropp ($132,319)
    Dealer
    Seat 3: youngplayer9 ($485,467)
    Posts small blind $8000
    Seat 4: Thylacine09 ($227,054)
    Posts big blind $16000
    Seat 5: J Gold1 ($471,594)
    Seat 6: Stepan Osipov ($567,233)
    Seat 7: PlayByGame ($258,402)
    Seat 9: H-MariaSeppala ($106,847)

    Dealt to J Gold1

    Preflop: (Pot: $40000)

    FOLD Stepan Osipov
    FOLD PlayByGame
    FOLD H-MariaSeppala
    FOLD madwin1
    RAISE normankropp, to $130,319 and is ALL-IN
    FOLD youngplayer9
    FOLD Thylacine09
    J Gold1......
  2. Iplaythabored Iplaythabored is offline ghost writer

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    Aug 3rd, 2010 (8/3/2010 7:39am) in reply to AlwaysImproving

    i hate hh converters, what are the blinds?

    nm i see them now, i call
    Edited By: Iplaythabored Aug 3rd, 2010 at 07:42 AM
     
  3. AlwaysImproving AlwaysImproving is offline

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    Aug 3rd, 2010 (8/3/2010 7:49am) in reply to Iplaythabored

    I think you can get away from marginal spots like this if your picking up blinds pretty easily, no?
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  4. cotchery89 cotchery89 is offline

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    Aug 3rd, 2010 (8/3/2010 8:08am) in reply to AlwaysImproving

    fold...happy about it
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  5. Sdanby Sdanby is offline

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    Aug 3rd, 2010 (8/3/2010 12:31pm) in reply to cotchery89

    ya i fold here. last night i watched tilthappens raise to 4200 from mid pos at 1k/2k, the nig blind jammed 50k in, and tilthappens snap called with KJdd. obv not completely relevant to this thread but just a hand i found interessting if he thought call was correct
  6. rivverkiller rivverkiller is offline

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    Aug 3rd, 2010 (8/3/2010 12:49pm) in reply to Sdanby

    If villain is remotely competent then it's a standard reshove iso...if not then probably a fold but still on the closer side...buncha nits itt
     
  7. Spraggs Spraggs is offline

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    Aug 3rd, 2010 (8/3/2010 1:40pm) in reply to rivverkiller

    snap, unless its FTP then wait 4 seconds, then call
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  8. MakeMeMaster MakeMeMaster is offline

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    Aug 3rd, 2010 (8/3/2010 2:01pm) in reply to Spraggs

    Folding here is really really really really really really bad.

     
    Originally Posted by rivverkiller View Post

    If villain is remotely competent then it's a standard reshove iso...if not then probably a fold but still on the closer side...buncha nits itt

    He is the BB, therefor last to act.
    Edited By: MakeMeMaster Aug 3rd, 2010 at 02:02 PM
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  9. dgillis dgillis is offline Moderator

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    Aug 3rd, 2010 (8/3/2010 2:25pm) in reply to MakeMeMaster

    you need to redo your HH, there important factors here that aren't completely clear. (particularly position)
     
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    Aug 3rd, 2010 (8/3/2010 3:03pm) in reply to dgillis

    yeah......if this is a button or close to button ship i'm calling this all day
     
  11. Pghfan987 Pghfan987 is offline

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    Aug 3rd, 2010 (8/3/2010 3:46pm) in reply to mdshack14

    Snap call, gamble
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  12. EyeKnows EyeKnows is online now

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    Aug 3rd, 2010 (8/3/2010 3:56pm) in reply to Pghfan987

    the old me folds.

    the new me calls unless the shover is a true nit, been looking for FTP to have a badge for the "True Nit" but haven't seen it yet.
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    Aug 3rd, 2010 (8/3/2010 4:06pm) in reply to EyeKnows

    I think I call or not depending on how the guy got so low in chips. If the guy is nit and just blinding chips, this is an easy fold.

    You need like 43% equity to call and thats breakeven if you assign villain the following range:
    [SIZE=1]equity win tie pots won pots tied
    Hand 0: 42.699% 40.68% 02.02% 177604272 8835360.50 { KdJd }
    Hand 1: 57.301% 55.28% 02.02% 241362527 8835360.50 { 22+, A3s+, KTs+, QJs, A4o+, KJo+ }
    [/SIZE]
  14. cotchery89 cotchery89 is offline

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    Aug 3rd, 2010 (8/3/2010 4:09pm) in reply to MakeMeMaster

     
    Originally Posted by MakeMeMaster View Post

    Folding here is really really really really really really bad.



    He is the BB, therefor last to act.


    dont think i could disagree with this more.....this is the early 10c on ftp if im not mistaken.....probably one of the softer tournies on the internet, and your advising calling off a suggested nit in a spot where you will rarely be in very good shape.....

    im certainly folding here, happily in fact and moving on to crushing bubbles and taking down pots without showdown
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    Aug 3rd, 2010 (8/3/2010 4:22pm) in reply to cotchery89

     
    Originally Posted by cotchery89 View Post

    dont think i could disagree with this more.....this is the early 10c on ftp if im not mistaken.....probably one of the softer tournies on the internet, and your advising calling off a suggested nit in a spot where you will rarely be in very good shape.....

    im certainly folding here, happily in fact and moving on to crushing bubbles and taking down pots without showdown

    what? villain shoves 8bb from the cutoff and we're thinking about folding KJ sooted in the bb?
     
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    Aug 3rd, 2010 (8/3/2010 4:27pm) in reply to Goldenad

    Villain has only 3 orbits left with 2,000/8,000/16,000 (escalation coming up soon?) and should be looking for an unopened pot to shove a very wide range of hands that you should be ahead of with JK suited. Theredor I would call. But if you think he is really nitty and would only shove pocket pairs or Ax I guess a fold is okay.
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    Aug 4th, 2010 (8/4/2010 12:27am) in reply to aad

    He had A6 and it held. He was playing nitty from 3 tables down. In the future I think I'm folding in this same type of situation because I felt I was the best player and was winning pots preflop pretty easily. Ahh oh well...fire up another batch of mtts.
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  18. OhScissorMe OhScissorMe is offline

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    Aug 4th, 2010 (8/4/2010 1:15am) in reply to AlwaysImproving

    Unless your read was that he was an absolute rock beyond rockish proportions then I don't see how you can fold this. I'm pretty happy to get it in here actually.
    Edited By: OhScissorMe Aug 4th, 2010 at 01:16 AM
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  19. cotchery89 cotchery89 is offline

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    Aug 4th, 2010 (8/4/2010 1:41am) in reply to Goldenad

     
    Originally Posted by Goldenad View Post

    what? villain shoves 8bb from the cutoff and we're thinking about folding KJ sooted in the bb?

    normally im happy going with it here...however OP claims villain is tight....from what ive seen, tight players get low as 5-6 bbs before they decide to start shoving super light at this stage, sometimes even lower.

    its not as if villain is a reg..just think there are better spots to pick up chips in this particular situation
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  20. MakeMeMaster MakeMeMaster is offline

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    Aug 4th, 2010 (8/4/2010 1:52am) in reply to cotchery89

    omg u sound like a complete tool cotchery, just because he is a "nit" doesnt mean he necesarily dont know good push/fold game

    and we get like 1,5 to 1 on a call so we need to be 40% against his range to make the call profitable.

    Even a nit with no clue of good push/fold game would shove like 22+, A8s+, ATo+, KTs+, KJo+, QJs (and only shoving that is absolutely horrid but w/e)

    We are 41% against that range

    and these days the average "nit" is gonna shove much wider so as i said folding here is really really really really really really bad.

    and we also have him covered with 5 billion chips
    Edited By: MakeMeMaster Aug 4th, 2010 at 01:55 AM
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  21. Jason2890 Jason2890 is offline plays plo for overlays

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    Aug 4th, 2010 (8/4/2010 2:07am) in reply to MakeMeMaster

    Call always because your name is J Gold1 and even if you're behind, you will suck out because you're Jamie Gold.
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    Aug 4th, 2010 (8/4/2010 2:11am) in reply to MakeMeMaster

    welcome back MMM :)
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    Aug 4th, 2010 (8/4/2010 2:14am) in reply to squintster

    doubt id ever fold a royal draw here
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    Aug 4th, 2010 (8/4/2010 2:33am) in reply to MakeMeMaster

    pretty easy call even against a nitbox
     
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    Aug 4th, 2010 (8/4/2010 2:49am) in reply to cotchery89

     
    Originally Posted by cotchery89 View Post

    dont think i could disagree with this more.....this is the early 10c on ftp if im not mistaken.....probably one of the softer tournies on the internet, and your advising calling off a suggested nit in a spot where you will rarely be in very good shape.....

    im certainly folding here, happily in fact and moving on to crushing bubbles and taking down pots without showdown

    You're thinking about this wrong. This is a +ev call against >90% of online players. Make the +ev call and take every edge you can. Your edge comes from exploiting spot after spot, not from waiting for the perfect situation.
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