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Final table 30k ko...... Confused?

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  1. pez102 pez102 is offline

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    Oct 28th, 2008 (10/28/2008 11:26pm)

    not trying to call this guy out but i know the villain is a good player with v good results, imo his call cant be a winning play but would like some more opinons from other players.

    Full Tilt Poker Game #8630166640: $30,000 KO Guarantee (64861801), Table 7 - 1700/3400 Ante 400 - No Limit Hold'em - 22:08:51 ET - 2008/10/23
    Seat 1: pocket_killa (99,302)
    Seat 2: pez102 (46,486)
    Seat 3: lpap (45,730)
    Seat 4: Flemming13 (23,738)
    Seat 5: Max Revenge (25,052)
    Seat 6: Jonnyb6971 (282,689)
    Seat 7: AABenjaminAA (135,620)
    Seat 8: THE_GOLDMINE (238,406)
    Seat 9: sprstoner (23,977)
    pocket_killa antes 400
    pez102 antes 400
    lpap antes 400
    Flemming13 antes 400
    Max Revenge antes 400
    Jonnyb6971 antes 400
    AABenjaminAA antes 400
    THE_GOLDMINE antes 400
    sprstoner antes 400
    pocket_killa posts the small blind of 1,700
    pez102 posts the big blind of 3,400
    The button is in seat #9
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to pez102 [Ah 3c]
    lpap folds
    Flemming13 folds
    Max Revenge folds
    Jonnyb6971 folds
    AABenjaminAA folds
    THE_GOLDMINE has 15 seconds left to act
    THE_GOLDMINE raises to 8,888
    sprstoner folds
    pocket_killa folds
    pez102 raises to 46,086, and is all in
    THE_GOLDMINE calls 37,198
    pez102 shows [Ah 3c]
    THE_GOLDMINE shows [8h Ks]
    *** FLOP *** [5d Kd 9c]
    *** TURN *** [5d Kd 9c] [8d]
    *** RIVER *** [5d Kd 9c 8d] [7h]
    pez102 shows Ace King high
    THE_GOLDMINE shows two pair, Kings and Eights
    THE_GOLDMINE wins the pot (97,472) with two pair, Kings and Eights
    pez102 stands up
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 97,472 | Rake 0
    Board: [5d Kd 9c 8d 7h]
    Seat 1: pocket_killa (small blind) folded before the Flop
    Seat 2: pez102 (big blind) showed [Ah 3c] and lost with Ace King high
    Seat 3: lpap folded before the Flop
    Seat 4: Flemming13 folded before the Flop
    Seat 5: Max Revenge folded before the Flop
    Seat 6: Jonnyb6971 folded before the Flop
    Seat 7: AABenjaminAA folded before the Flop
    Seat 8: THE_GOLDMINE showed [8h Ks] and won (97,472) with two pair, Kings and Eights
    Seat 9: sprstoner (button) folded before the Flop
    533 1
  2. Cuthroat187 Cuthroat187 is offline

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    Oct 29th, 2008 (10/29/2008 12:03am) in reply to pez102

    He has many chips and you do not-he has some chips invested therefore the call isnt that bad. I am sure if you had mo chips he prob. folds. gl
  3. neverbluff67 neverbluff67 is offline

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    Oct 29th, 2008 (10/29/2008 1:05am) in reply to pez102

    pretty suprising call imo, i hate it.
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  4. MuiMuiBueno MuiMuiBueno is offline

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    Oct 29th, 2008 (10/29/2008 1:15am) in reply to Cuthroat187

    well im folding there but against ur specific hand hes about a 3/2 dog which is the price hes getting... but i do agree this is a fold as Arag is basically the only hand he is in good shape against aside from 22-77 assuming u r shoving these as well

    UL bro
  5. Niceguy Niceguy is offline I will find you.

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    Oct 29th, 2008 (10/29/2008 1:22am) in reply to pez102

    He's raising from the cutoff, the bb pushes on him. Given the latest trend of aggression from the blinds he puts you on a restealing range, which honestly could be wide. If he calls and loses only a 5th of his stack, however if he wins he can continue to bully the table and people will be less likely to reship on him light.

    edit**also with only 13.5bbs you should be pushing a wide range in this spot.
  6. warden warden is offline

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    Oct 29th, 2008 (10/29/2008 1:29am) in reply to pez102

    i really hope you weren't shoving with the expectation that he'd ever fold
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  7. neverbluff67 neverbluff67 is offline

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    Oct 29th, 2008 (10/29/2008 1:35am) in reply to warden

     
    Originally Posted by dpottz View Post

    i really hope you weren't shoving with the expectation that he'd ever fold

    So in your opinion hes calling every time pez102 pushes in this situation, because surely thats terrible?? considering the stack sizes
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  8. Niceguy Niceguy is offline I will find you.

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    Oct 29th, 2008 (10/29/2008 1:37am) in reply to neverbluff67

    goldmine is calling with any 1 face card plus an uno card in that spot.
  9. pez102 pez102 is offline

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    Oct 29th, 2008 (10/29/2008 3:03am) in reply to Niceguy

    i would be interested in what anybody else has to say
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  10. skanky980 skanky980 is offline

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    Oct 29th, 2008 (10/29/2008 4:41am) in reply to pez102

     
    Originally Posted by pez102 View Post

    i would be interested in what anybody else has to say

    Here is some help, ur shove here is HORRIBLE. Hes getting over 1.5 on a call and for example in this situation hes at the bottom of his opening range and hes still only 60 40 versus ur hand. Whenever u are in a spot against a good aggresive big stack player u can either hope hes raising on air and hope u win a 60 40 here or fold because hes never going to be folding here when its a less then 20% of his stack and hes getting close to 1.6 to call.

    So lesson for u here is that he played optimally and u played poorly. hope this helps
     
  11. tuthill tuthill is offline

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    Oct 29th, 2008 (10/29/2008 4:47am) in reply to skanky980

    With your stack size and his stack size hes never raise folding ever.

    Standard.
     
  12. quietwinner quietwinner is offline

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    Oct 29th, 2008 (10/29/2008 5:11am) in reply to tuthill

    what dpottz said. the guy was callin all day long here. i mean i personally jam here because ur ace beats his range, but hes still calling all day. so u can fold and try and shove on some weaker players who wont make the right calls if u dont like getting it in 60 40
     
  13. Brandon6176 Brandon6176 is offline

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    Oct 29th, 2008 (10/29/2008 6:13am) in reply to warden

     
    Originally Posted by dpottz View Post

    i really hope you weren't shoving with the expectation that he'd ever fold

    +1
  14. Wretchy Wretchy is offline whatslogic

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    Oct 29th, 2008 (10/29/2008 6:58am) in reply to Brandon6176

     
    Originally Posted by Brandon6176 View Post

     
    Originally Posted by dpottz View Post

    i really hope you weren't shoving with the expectation that he'd ever fold

    +1

    +2

    unless you're a nit like me, im allowed to shove 13-15 BBs over a reraise and get a fold...

    basically anytime you have <13 bbs you have open steal equity but not resteal equity... almost need 15-18bbs
     
  15. threeven threeven is offline

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    Oct 29th, 2008 (10/29/2008 7:40am) in reply to Wretchy

     
    Originally Posted by Wretchy View Post

     
    Originally Posted by Brandon6176 View Post

     
    Originally Posted by dpottz View Post

    i really hope you weren't shoving with the expectation that he'd ever fold

    +1

    +2

    unless you're a nit like me, im allowed to shove 13-15 BBs over a reraise and get a fold...

    basically anytime you have <13 bbs you have open steal equity but not resteal equity... almost need 15-18bbs

    this ^^^^
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