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Final table of 45 man

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  1. Dirtyjb30236 Dirtyjb30236 is offline

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    Jun 2nd, 2009 (6/2/2009 10:53am)

    Obviously I am either shoving or folding here. The only thing that is throwing me off is that i'm in first position and there are 8 people to act behind me. In middle/late position this is an easy shove. What do you do here though? Also, what hands are you shoving from this position? AA,KK, and ak obviously, anything else? qq? Thanks for all advice.

    pokerstars Game #28902813246: Tournament #168611453, $6.00+$0.50 Hold'em No Limit - Level X (400/800) - 2009/06/02 10:48:32 ET
    Table '168611453 1' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
    Seat 1: boahgerding (10400 in chips)
    Seat 2: BananaF1sh (8655 in chips)
    Seat 3: paxtolini (6605 in chips)
    Seat 4: Stoneham (5125 in chips)
    Seat 5: DirtyJB30236 (7530 in chips)
    Seat 6: gnaz40 (9360 in chips)
    Seat 7: ChrisMart75 (5680 in chips)
    Seat 8: OscarBanjo (11880 in chips)
    Seat 9: Vinter (2265 in chips)
    boahgerding: posts the ante 50
    BananaF1sh: posts the ante 50
    paxtolini: posts the ante 50
    Stoneham: posts the ante 50
    DirtyJB30236: posts the ante 50
    gnaz40: posts the ante 50
    ChrisMart75: posts the ante 50
    OscarBanjo: posts the ante 50
    Vinter: posts the ante 50
    paxtolini: posts small blind 400
    Stoneham: posts big blind 800
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to DirtyJB30236 [As Qh]
    DirtyJB30236:???
  2. DutchCourage DutchCourage is offline

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    Jun 2nd, 2009 (6/2/2009 11:16am) in reply to Dirtyjb30236

    I think this is where tournament theory kicks in. How much do you gain by doubling up versus losing it all given the prize structure and all that. My gut tells me this may actually be a spot where you could fold AQ, but perhaps someone more clued in than me (which is most of you) can do the math breakdown???
  3. juwaari juwaari is offline

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    Jun 2nd, 2009 (6/2/2009 11:55am) in reply to Dirtyjb30236

    I would want the short stack to come in, also AQ is not a bad hand to start with, having said that shoving is not an option IMO from UNG. You raise 2.5 times BB here and only KK and AA or AK, QQ come over the top, covering you, so if short stacks come in its good for you if a bigger stack puts you all in you have to fold leaving you with around 5K. so there is a 3rd option of raising from UNG showing a very strong hand, SB and BB both are less than you so you call them. If anyone else comes you can still fold.
  4. odstore odstore is offline

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    Jun 2nd, 2009 (6/2/2009 10:05pm) in reply to juwaari

     
    Originally Posted by juwaari View Post

    I would want the short stack to come in, also AQ is not a bad hand to start with, having said that shoving is not an option IMO from UNG. You raise 2.5 times BB here and only KK and AA or AK, QQ come over the top, covering you, so if short stacks come in its good for you if a bigger stack puts you all in you have to fold leaving you with around 5K. so there is a 3rd option of raising from UNG showing a very strong hand, SB and BB both are less than you so you call them. If anyone else comes you can still fold.

    I wouldn't be so sure about those calling ranges and are you really saying that raise/folding over 1/4 of your chips here is the best play? W/o running the numbers I think this is a shove.
  5. Dirtyjb30236 Dirtyjb30236 is offline

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    Jun 4th, 2009 (6/4/2009 5:34pm) in reply to odstore

     
    Originally Posted by odstore View Post

     
    Originally Posted by juwaari View Post

    I would want the short stack to come in, also AQ is not a bad hand to start with, having said that shoving is not an option IMO from UNG. You raise 2.5 times BB here and only KK and AA or AK, QQ come over the top, covering you, so if short stacks come in its good for you if a bigger stack puts you all in you have to fold leaving you with around 5K. so there is a 3rd option of raising from UNG showing a very strong hand, SB and BB both are less than you so you call them. If anyone else comes you can still fold.

    I wouldn't be so sure about those calling ranges and are you really saying that raise/folding over 1/4 of your chips here is the best play? W/o running the numbers I think this is a shove.

    I definitly agree that raising pre and possibly folding is wrong. But just to be clear, you are saying shove even though it's first position?
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  6. Nclined Nclined is offline

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    Jun 5th, 2009 (6/5/2009 12:20am) in reply to Dirtyjb30236

    I went out like this in a 180 man FT with AQ to AK... At least i gave myself a choice and then i played it wrong by calling it. I would raise it to something like 1900 total. Then make the decision if a raise then know at best you are racing for your tourney. If called represent with a stop and go. If you have to fold you still have 5500 in chips and you are still one double up from the leader. IMO. I just think you can't fold... calling is pointless... all in is too dangerous.
  7. Rev.K Rev.K is offline

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    Jun 5th, 2009 (6/5/2009 1:53pm) in reply to Nclined

    You have an M of 4.5. In the next two hands you're going to have to fork over another 1300 chips in blinds and antes. You don't have any other play but shoving.

    This is a classic example of where you could either shove now and see what happens, or sit tight, hope people get eliminated, but ultimately end up saying "I wish I had played that A-Q".
  8. Boandaro Boandaro is offline

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    Jun 5th, 2009 (6/5/2009 2:26pm) in reply to Rev.K

    This is a very standard shove. The End.
     
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