Check out our brand new Local Poker Communities! Get updates and interact with poker players in your area.
Visit the United States Poker Community | Visit the California Poker Community | Read more about the Launch of P5s Local

FINAL TABLE HAND..FOR ALMOST ALL THE MARBLES--WHAT DO I DO?

Reply to Thread
  1. Grlnder Grlnder is offline

    Posts: 19
    Joined: Feb 08

    Jun 12th, 2008 (6/12/2008 1:26am)

    TALK ABOUT A TOUGH SPOT. 7 LEFT AT FINAL TABLE.

    pokerstars Game #18076820118: Tournament #91206312, $8.00+$0.80 Hold'em No Limit
    - Level XX (3500/7000) - 2008/06/11 - 21:18:36 (ET)
    Table '91206312 145' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
    Seat 1: TheSinseKid (68054 in chips)
    Seat 3: MsbhvnTwin (460884 in chips)
    Seat 4: Marine Recon (607320 in chips)
    Seat 6: Gooner72 (138093 in chips)
    Seat 7: TrueGrlnder (227834 in chips)
    Seat 8: anon12345 (227132 in chips)
    Seat 9: wildfanjohn (168183 in chips)
    TheSinseKid: posts the ante 700
    MsbhvnTwin: posts the ante 700
    Marine Recon: posts the ante 700
    Gooner72: posts the ante 700
    TrueGrlnder: posts the ante 700
    anon12345: posts the ante 700
    wildfanjohn: posts the ante 700
    TheSinseKid: posts small blind 3500
    MsbhvnTwin: posts big blind 7000
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to TrueGrlnder [4d 4s]
    Marine Recon: folds
    Gooner72: folds
    TrueGrlnder: raises 10777 to 17777
    anon12345: folds
    wildfanjohn: calls 17777
    TheSinseKid: folds
    MsbhvnTwin: folds
    *** FLOP *** [Ac 9c 2c]
    TrueGrlnder: bets 14000
    wildfanjohn: calls 14000
    *** TURN *** [Ac 9c 2c] [3d]
    TrueGrlnder: checks
    wildfanjohn: checks
    *** RIVER *** [Ac 9c 2c 3d] [5h]
    TrueGrlnder: bets 35000
    wildfanjohn: raises 100706 to 135706 and is all-in
    TrueGrlnder: ????
  2. marc1313 marc1313 is offline

    United States

    Posts: 4,303
    Joined: Feb 08

    Jun 12th, 2008 (6/12/2008 2:11am) in reply to Grlnder

    absolutely sick spot here. any reads on this player? w/o reads, I don't think you can call here. what can he possibly have that he would raise on the river, but check the turn. unless he has A4 (unlikely) or K(c)-X, we are no good here. you haven't invested too much of your stack here, so I think you can find a fold. I just think we are going to see the nuts here WAY too often for a call to be +EV. again this is w/o reads, in the end you have to determine what this player is capable of. could he really be putting his tourney life on the line on a bluff. would he really check his two pair hands/sets on the turn, and then raise them on the river for value?
  3. YouAreWet YouAreWet is offline

    NY
    United States

    Posts: 1,317
    Joined: Apr 08

    Jun 12th, 2008 (6/12/2008 3:36am) in reply to Grlnder

    Do you really think he has 46?
  4. elusively elusively is offline

    MD
    United States

    Posts: 5,260
    Joined: Feb 07

    Jun 12th, 2008 (6/12/2008 9:27am) in reply to YouAreWet

    no chance he has 46, if 46 is even in his range snap-call cause he's terrible..
  5. Lafaena Lafaena is offline

    Fornebu
    Norway

    Posts: 89
    Joined: Jan 08

    Jun 12th, 2008 (6/12/2008 9:53am) in reply to Grlnder

    ?? he may have a4 45 or even missed clubs.oh three clubs on flop...... didnt notice. tough spot for sure i think a fold here wouldnt be too bad.
  6. Blackout4 Blackout4 is offline

    Chicago, IL
    United States

    Posts: 7,922
    Joined: Dec 06

    Jun 12th, 2008 (6/12/2008 1:10pm) in reply to Grlnder

    Pretty sure he flopped it, he could have u on a complete miss of chasing ur flush, but I doubt it......
     
  7. saukendar saukendar is offline

    United States

    Posts: 1,235
    Joined: Mar 07

    Jun 12th, 2008 (6/12/2008 2:11pm) in reply to Grlnder

    Ouch! you have $66,777 in already and its $100,706 to call a $249,660 pot - ~2.5:1 (a touch less). I can see a strong line that he flopped it and just a good a line for AxKc, other Kc or a flopped set or As up. If you call it and loose you are in Push/Fold mode but not dead, if you call and win you move up to a solid top 3 spot. If you fold it you have changed places with him - not a great but still alive.

    2.5x pre and a touch over a 1/4 on the flop and check the turn. You played it so weak you don't have a good feel for his hand. On the other hand he'll for sure think you are on a busted draw and can't call a raise.

    Sick as it is, given the pot and the play, unless you have a great read you didn't mention, I think you have to call this one.

    my 2 cents
  8. Grlnder Grlnder is offline

    Posts: 19
    Joined: Feb 08

    Jun 12th, 2008 (6/12/2008 3:24pm) in reply to saukendar

    I ended up calling here with the straight. Guy flopped the flush with Queen Jack Clubs. Pretty well played by him, especially since he didn't bet the turn. He raises flop or bets turn its an easy fold for me. I'm just sick over this hand. As I look back on it, I think the best play would have been checking the river and calling his value bet. I probably would have lost a lot less and I also pick up the pot in case he's making a bluff at it. He pushes all in on the river and I didn't bet, well that would have been a horrific spot as well. By the way, I knew he didn't have 4 6 lol....didn't really think twice about that. I did however consider the flush. Any other suggestions on how to play this hand differently would be greatly appreciated.
    Thread Starter
  9. djkelly69 djkelly69 is offline

    Tuggeranong
    Australia

    Posts: 1,102
    Joined: Oct 06

    Jun 12th, 2008 (6/12/2008 8:44pm) in reply to Grlnder

    I like check call on river, as it allows him to bet hands he may not call with, and we have good showdown value.
  10. Grlnder Grlnder is offline

    Posts: 19
    Joined: Feb 08

    Jun 13th, 2008 (6/13/2008 2:44am) in reply to djkelly69

    yes. we can thank skkills for that brilliant suggestion. : )
    Thread Starter
  11. RANDYPET RANDYPET is offline

    Grand Blanc, MI
    United States

    Posts: 569
    Joined: Feb 07

    Jun 13th, 2008 (6/13/2008 11:46am) in reply to Grlnder

    How about fold 4-4 pre-flop, which doesn't play well against most hand ranges, and wait for a better spot? In the meantime, u prob lose another player or two, and move up. With that flop, it's hard to even CB the hand.
  12. saukendar saukendar is offline

    United States

    Posts: 1,235
    Joined: Mar 07

    Jun 13th, 2008 (6/13/2008 11:58am) in reply to RANDYPET

     
    Originally Posted by RANDYPET View Post

    How about fold 4-4 pre-flop, which doesn't play well against most hand ranges, and wait for a better spot? In the meantime, u prob lose another player or two, and move up. With that flop, it's hard to even CB the hand.

    I don't see anything wrong with open-raising 44 7 handed from mid/late. The ~1/4 pot bet on the flop was sick - I think a 27k-30k c-bet on the flop and fold a raise or abandon to a call is the correct line.
Reply to Thread