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final table hand, facing check-all in on the river while holding a boat.wwyd?

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  1. SSG SSG is offline

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    May 18th, 2011 (5/18/2011 6:03am)

    Just wanna to have a line check here.
    it's the 5r 6max on fulltilt.
    got down to the final table, after a few hands, i manage to accumulate some chips

    Victo is a guy who almost never raise. he always limps. and always fold flop to minimum bets if he has air.
    Njaa is a better player who shoves light a lot of time in the past.and manage to get lucky.

    I didn't raise because I know Njaa will be calling.unless i raise really big.

    On the flop, it's usually a easy call and take a turn,
    on the turn, I have two options, one to raise and one to just call.
    I wanted a safe rive, don't want the board to pair.

    on the river, it checked to me. I bet 60% of the pot. putting one of them on a aces.
    in particular Nijaa. because the other villian is very aggerssive if he has something. always pot size bets.
    but he auto-shoves...
    I never put him on AQ or QQ,otherwise he would raise pre according to our history.


    Full Tilt Poker Game #30559878568: $6,000 Guarantee (Rebuy) (237132397), Table 57 - 6000/12000 Ante 1500 - No Limit Hold'em - 16:49:05 NZT - 2011/05/18 [00:49:05 ET - 2011/05/18]
    Seat 1: Nijaa (398,473)
    Seat 2: victomarius (398,925)
    Seat 3: Stone_s_g (366,364)
    Seat 4: Ax-All-in-rebuy (215,478)
    Seat 5: lassar (390,323)
    Seat 6: kennl (380,937)
    Nijaa antes 1,500
    victomarius antes 1,500
    Stone_s_g antes 1,500
    Ax-All-in-rebuy antes 1,500
    lassar antes 1,500
    kennl antes 1,500
    Ax-All-in-rebuy posts the small blind of 6,000
    lassar posts the big blind of 12,000
    The button is in seat #3
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to Stone_s_g [7c 7s]
    lassar: non lo gioco
    kennl has 15 seconds left to act
    kennl folds
    Nijaa folds
    victomarius calls 12,000
    Stone_s_g calls 12,000
    lassar: limpo solo se sono deep
    Ax-All-in-rebuy folds
    lassar checks
    *** FLOP *** [3s Ah Ac]
    lassar checks
    victomarius bets 12,000
    Stone_s_g calls 12,000
    lassar calls 12,000
    *** TURN *** [3s Ah Ac] [7h]
    Zibok (Observer): kenni out on 6 place :D
    lassar bets 12,000
    victomarius calls 12,000
    Stone_s_g calls 12,000
    *** RIVER *** [3s Ah Ac 7h] [Qs]
    lassar checks
    victomarius checks
    Stone_s_g has 15 seconds left to act
    Stone_s_g bets 72,000
    lassar raises to 352,823, and is all in
    victomarius folds
    Stone_s_g ????
  2. Ugotdonedirty Ugotdonedirty is offline

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    May 18th, 2011 (5/18/2011 7:18am) in reply to SSG

    calling, i could see him having A 3 and flopping it, but i doubt i get away from this hand
  3. SSG SSG is offline

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    May 18th, 2011 (5/18/2011 8:06am) in reply to Ugotdonedirty

    well, I couldn't think at the time.so i called and he had A3.

    now coming back to the hands....
    I don't think he would play non-nuts/boats hand this way.
    might be argueable for a fold .
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  4. arukidinme arukidinme is offline

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    May 18th, 2011 (5/18/2011 1:19pm) in reply to SSG

    I would likely check behind the river if I was going to bet it wolf be small where he would be inclined to cause with his ax hands on the river. Like if you make 20% pot and then he 4x you we still under the psb and can get value from worse.
  5. mcandrews3rd mcandrews3rd is online now

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    May 18th, 2011 (5/18/2011 2:03pm) in reply to arukidinme

    please for the love of god raise pre,

    hes limpin obv with a lot of crap an u can take down the pot with a cbet so often when you dont hit your 7

    as played once the 7 hits im not folding, hes shown hes limpin weak aces and for sure plays the non boat ones exactly the same way.
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  6. rungoodmuch rungoodmuch is offline

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    May 18th, 2011 (5/18/2011 2:06pm) in reply to mcandrews3rd

    bustin here everytime and it's not even close. I think you played your hand poorly preflop, you should def be raising preflop to push out the blinds and get heads up here in position against one villian. As played you have to raise turn to build this pot especially in a multi way pot where one villian most likely has an ace and isnt folding. I would probably make it 65-70k on the turn and if I get a call, im probably shoving the pile assumming that the villian has an ace and has decided he is not giving up. In this particular situation villian has you beat but you probably could have forced him out of the pot with a raise pre and got heads up vs a weaker hand. As played not folding to the shove riv either way ul.
  7. KingBustYou KingBustYou is offline

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    May 18th, 2011 (5/18/2011 3:16pm) in reply to rungoodmuch

     
    Originally Posted by rungoodmuch View Post

    bustin here everytime and it's not even close. I think you played your hand poorly preflop, you should def be raising preflop to push out the blinds and get heads up here in position against one villian. As played you have to raise turn to build this pot especially in a multi way pot where one villian most likely has an ace and isnt folding. I would probably make it 65-70k on the turn and if I get a call, im probably shoving the pile assumming that the villian has an ace and has decided he is not giving up. In this particular situation villian has you beat but you probably could have forced him out of the pot with a raise pre and got heads up vs a weaker hand. As played not folding to the shove riv either way ul.

    agree
  8. tom44411 tom44411 is offline

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    May 18th, 2011 (5/18/2011 3:36pm) in reply to KingBustYou

    um i snap call high five the monitor. if he has A3 then youre really ul. i dont see him min betting 2x and shoving A3 since your hand isnt even near defined. youre gonna have a lot of hands like you have on the flop, mid pairs and such, a lot more likley than an A and i would actually say hes gonna have big pairs that hes turning into a bluff right now without knowing it
     
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