Full Tilt Poker Game #3786699330: $17,500 Guarantee (28327165), Table 120 - 10000/20000 Ante 2500 - No Limit Hold'em - 19:14:38 ET - 2007/10/07
Seat 1: thundrstrike (412,835)
Seat 3: DegenerateStyle (445,666)
Seat 4: siberianex (741,702)
Seat 5: Crump (208,630)
Seat 6: IcashUout (648,657)
Seat 7: Werebeard (662,350)
Seat 9: juicyjc (249,160)
thundrstrike antes 2,500
DegenerateStyle antes 2,500
siberianex antes 2,500
Crump antes 2,500
IcashUout antes 2,500
Werebeard antes 2,500
juicyjc antes 2,500
IcashUout posts the small blind of 10,000
Werebeard posts the big blind of 20,000
The button is in seat #5
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to siberianex [As Kd]
juicyjc folds
thundrstrike raises to 60,000
DegenerateStyle folds
siberianex has 15 seconds left to act
siberianex raises to 200,000
Crump folds
IcashUout has 15 seconds left to act
IcashUout raises to 646,157, and is all in
Werebeard folds
thundrstrike has 15 seconds left to act
thundrstrike has requested TIME
thundrstrike folds
thundrstrike: nice raise sib
siberianex has 15 seconds left to act
thundrstrike: eat it
cueminator (Observer): sib har JJ
UKblood (Observer): gl siberian
siberianex has requested TIME
siberianex ?????

I think I am getting 2/1, but is this worth the gamble??

i highly doubt his range is 77+

probably more like 10s+ ak

maybe even jj+ ak

But yeah call, pray, and spam aaaaaa to the ftp gods.

I think i re-raise here and hope for the best. You got the big stack and if you lose your still in it, if you win, with the stack you'll have i think your taking it down. However, i guess it depends on how much you think you can take over the table if its weak maybe consider folding and stick to your game. But as i say i think im shoving here but i aint a pro by any means.

Dude what happened!!

It seems like the decision should somewhat be based on where you are at in the tourney. From the stacks and blinds, it seems like it's pretty late in the tourney. Is this the final table? If you call and lose, you are essentially out of the tourney. Your M is so small that you have virtually no chance. I'm sure that IcashUout is well aware of this dynamic. If you fold, you still have a significant stack. You are middle of the pack at this table, and definately not short stacked in relation to the blinds. With all that being said, I think this is a definate fold here. Even if he has something like AQ where you have him completely dominated, his odds are just too high preflop for you to risk the tourney on. This is the power of the resteal. It doesn't matter how good your cards are. The good players being reraised will realize that being ahead preflop doesn't matter so much if you have to see five cards hot and cold for your tournament life. If the guy had so little that you still had an M of 10 or more if you call, then instacall.

Call!

Come on...what happened?

Worst advice ever . . . "Even if he has something like AQ where you have him completely dominated, his odds are just too high preflop for you to risk the tourney on." If AQ is really a part of his range, this is a mandatory reshove.

Some of you totally misread the hand. UTG+1 raises, i re-raise to isolate, but the other big stack moves in from the SB (he was pretty straight forward player), which is why this is so tough.

I had the same thoughts as mkind and other people. This infact was the Final Table, and I did not feel like calling off my chips if this infact was a cooler hand or even AK. I folded and ultimately got 4th place.

Would still love to hear some opinions from some more top pros!

FullTiltPoker Game #3786699330: $17,500 Guarantee (28327165), Table 120 - 10000/20000 Ante 2500 - No Limit Hold'em - 19:14:38 ET - 2007/10/07
Seat 1: thundrstrike (412,835)
Seat 3: DegenerateStyle (445,666)
Seat 4: siberianex (741,702)
Seat 5: Crump (208,630)
Seat 6: IcashUout (648,657)
Seat 7: Werebeard (662,350)
Seat 9: juicyjc (249,160)
thundrstrike antes 2,500
DegenerateStyle antes 2,500
siberianex antes 2,500
Crump antes 2,500
IcashUout antes 2,500
Werebeard antes 2,500
juicyjc antes 2,500
IcashUout posts the small blind of 10,000
Werebeard posts the big blind of 20,000
The button is in seat #5
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to siberianex [As Kd]
juicyjc folds
thundrstrike raises to 60,000
DegenerateStyle folds
siberianex has 15 seconds left to act
siberianex raises to 200,000
Crump folds
IcashUout has 15 seconds left to act
IcashUout raises to 646,157, and is all in
Werebeard folds
thundrstrike has 15 seconds left to act
thundrstrike has requested TIME
thundrstrike folds
thundrstrike: nice raise sib
siberianex has 15 seconds left to act
thundrstrike: eat it
siberianex has requested TIME
siberianex folds
Uncalled bet of 446,157 returned to IcashUout
IcashUout mucks
IcashUout wins the pot (497,500)
The blinds are now 12,000/24,000 with an ante of 3,000
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 497,500 | Rake 0
Seat 1: thundrstrike folded before the Flop
Seat 3: DegenerateStyle folded before the Flop
Seat 4: siberianex folded before the Flop
Seat 5: Crump (button) folded before the Flop
Seat 6: IcashUout (small blind) collected (497,500), mucked
Seat 7: Werebeard (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 9: juicyjc folded before the Flop

Yan,

You are getting over 2:1 pot odds. If Icash does this with JJ+, Ako and AKs, you are getting actual odds of 1.5:1. If he does it with QQ+, AKo, AKs, still getting 1.6 to 1. If he does it with KK+, AKo and Aks, still getting 1.7 to 1. You are only failing to get proper pot odds if he does this with QQ+ and never AK (and even with QQ, you almost have pot odds; you have to go to KK+ to have really bad odds). I just don't think you can give up these kind of odds, especially when if you win the pot, you have a stranglehold on the table.

I can only see folding if Thunder, urself and Icash had been playing downright nittish and therefore, you can limit Icash to only doing this with KK+. If Thunder has been playing loose or passive to reraises and you make a raise to $200,000 that gives the illusion of fold equity (not really an illusion since you folded), there is no way you can limit Icash's range to only KK+. To win tournaments you have to take some gambles and I think this is one of them.

I think you also have to honestly evaluate your final table. A player may be willing to give up this equity edge because of his skill advantage over the opponents. Do you think your skill level is so much greater than the other 6 players that you can afford to give up this equity edge?