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Final Two table 15 Left Itm with 99 in BB vs LP open! How is my line? 3bet/jam/fold

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  1. willmccoy willmccoy is offline Self-Proclaimed H00dRich BlacKK Fish

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    Jun 20th, 2012 (6/20/2012 8:33pm)

    Not a very large sample on villan, as he has only been at the table for 32 hands. He has opened and raised limpers, as well as 3 bet more than anyone at the table. my image has been very solid 19/13 and villan at 25/19!

    What is your line in this spot? The pot represents 21% of my stack before i invest any chips..........


    Merge, $4 rebuy (1,250/2,500 blinds, 250 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 7 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

    Hero (BB): 49,517 (19.8 bb)
    MP1: 36,343 (14.5 bb)
    MP2: 48,700 (19.5 bb)
    MP3: 42,419 (17 bb)
    CO: 87,062 (34.8 bb)
    BTN: 43,527 (17.4 bb)
    SB: 13,647 (5.5 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is BB with 9 9
    3 folds, CO raises to 5,000, 2 folds, Hero raises to 49,267 and is all-in, CO calls 44,267

    Flop: (101,534) K J A (2 players, 1 is all-in)
    Turn: (101,534) 8 (2 players, 1 is all-in)
    River: (101,534) Q (2 players, 1 is all-in)

    Results: 101,534 pot
    Final Board: K J A 8 Q
    Hero showed 9 9
    CO showed (??)
  2. willmccoy willmccoy is offline Self-Proclaimed H00dRich BlacKK Fish

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    Jun 20th, 2012 (6/20/2012 8:39pm) in reply to willmccoy

    I always here the saying your never getting called by worse! But i can never get a grasp on what it means late in mtt's! I understand it in the early stages. If someone could explain how this applies in late game?
    Edited By: willmccoy Jun 20th, 2012 at 08:49 PM
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  3. canad010 canad010 is offline

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    Jun 20th, 2012 (6/20/2012 8:51pm) in reply to willmccoy

    you are definitely getting called by worse here. I think you played it perfect. i would guess a decent calling range to be 77+ aq+
  4. willmccoy willmccoy is offline Self-Proclaimed H00dRich BlacKK Fish

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    Jun 20th, 2012 (6/20/2012 9:29pm) in reply to willmccoy

    Thanks for reply!!! Are we ever calling here in the BB for such a good price!!!!
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  5. 123454321888 123454321888 is offline

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    Jun 20th, 2012 (6/20/2012 9:56pm) in reply to willmccoy

    Calling is bad as your going to have to fold so much of the time, 3betting with this stack is pretty much the same - if he calls your lost, if he jams over you have to call anyway and your prob in bad shape, so shoving is best v this laggy guy.
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    Jun 20th, 2012 (6/20/2012 10:19pm) in reply to 123454321888

    Shove>Fold>Raise>Call
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    Jun 20th, 2012 (6/20/2012 10:36pm) in reply to IMLegend

    Like someone above said your def getting called with worse. His calling range is 55+, ATs+
     
  8. elimherr elimherr is offline

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    Jun 21st, 2012 (6/21/2012 5:47pm) in reply to NarcoCop

    Shove you only have 19bbs. Maybe this will help...when you have <20-25 bbs should be shoving once you have >25 bbs or so you can start 3b/c to induce worse to shove, since some players may think they have fold equity if they 4 bet shove. This also applies the same way to effective stacks, so if opponent only has 20 bbs and is opening they are usually not folding as often to a shove, so a shove can be perceived as weaker from their point of view, where as a 3 bet may look a lot stronger.

    When in spots like this always ask yourself what my perceived range is and what the villains calling or 4 betting range should be and how does our hand play against those ranges. Pokerstove is a gr8 tool to help you with equity in these spots.
     
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    Jun 21st, 2012 (6/21/2012 6:03pm) in reply to IMLegend

     
    Originally Posted by IMLegend View Post

    Shove>Fold>Raise>Call


    Is this true? I'm a donk but I'm never folding 99 in the BB to a minraise, I play it like shove>raise>call>fold.
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    Jun 21st, 2012 (6/21/2012 6:18pm) in reply to Bonestein

    anything but fold would be the right play but shove is by far the most profitable play.
     
  11. willmccoy willmccoy is offline Self-Proclaimed H00dRich BlacKK Fish

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    Jun 21st, 2012 (6/21/2012 10:43pm) in reply to elimherr

    Results: 101,534 pot
    Final Board: K J A 8 Q
    Hero showed 9 9
    CO showed (KK)
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  12. UKKage UKKage is offline

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    Jun 27th, 2012 (6/27/2012 6:24pm) in reply to IMLegend

     
    Originally Posted by IMLegend View Post

    Shove>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Grating your face with a cheese-grater and putting salt in the wounds>Fold>Raise>Call

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    Edited By: UKKage Jun 27th, 2012 at 06:24 PM
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  13. rayspizza rayspizza is online now

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    Jun 27th, 2012 (6/27/2012 7:12pm) in reply to UKKage

    I like shoving. you can also make it 14 and call a jam or shove any flop. Shoving is less exploitable, but i'm not sure its is more profitable, I'd have to see some numbers on that. calling sucks; folding is burning money.
    Edited By: rayspizza Jun 27th, 2012 at 07:13 PM
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    Jun 27th, 2012 (6/27/2012 7:29pm) in reply to rayspizza

    Aww eeeeeeen only option.
     
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    Jul 3rd, 2012 (7/3/2012 4:05pm) in reply to B_O_K_E

    insta-ship. dont look back
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    Jul 3rd, 2012 (7/3/2012 4:28pm) in reply to jayceee16

    3b/c is probably better..make it like 11000, any more it's pretty obvious you're not folding...but because i don't want to have to make a tiny 3b OOP i'd shove too.
     
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