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Flame away.....cooler or finding the fold button pre???

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  1. DaNutzB DaNutzB is offline

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    Nov 29th, 2008 (11/29/2008 11:48pm)

    Full Tilt Poker Game #9240220143: $15,000 Guarantee (Rebuy) (70516952), Table 51 - 150/300 Ante 25 - No Limit Hold'em - 0:35:45 ET - 2008/11/30
    Seat 1: Shakey Balls (11,015)
    Seat 2: FuNkyFrESH_MiKe (6,890)
    Seat 3: DaNutzB (10,636)
    Seat 4: str8upnutz (9,345)
    Seat 5: PimplyTeen (8,597)
    Seat 6: WilliamLSU23 (7,197)
    Seat 7: Jake19B (7,525)
    Seat 8: DonFilipe (12,798)
    Seat 9: Hoova2Deuce (17,860)
    Shakey Balls antes 25
    FuNkyFrESH_MiKe antes 25
    DaNutzB antes 25
    str8upnutz antes 25
    PimplyTeen antes 25
    WilliamLSU23 antes 25
    Jake19B antes 25
    DonFilipe antes 25
    Hoova2Deuce antes 25
    DaNutzB posts the small blind of 150
    str8upnutz posts the big blind of 300
    The button is in seat #2
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to DaNutzB [Qc 3c]
    PimplyTeen folds
    WilliamLSU23 folds
    Jake19B calls 300
    DonFilipe folds
    Hoova2Deuce folds
    Shakey Balls calls 300
    FuNkyFrESH_MiKe folds
    DaNutzB calls 150
    str8upnutz checks
    *** FLOP *** [Qd 3s Kh]
    DaNutzB bets 900
    str8upnutz folds
    Jake19B folds
    Shakey Balls calls 900
    *** TURN *** [Qd 3s Kh] [8h]
    DaNutzB checks
    Shakey Balls bets 2,100
    DaNutzB raises to 9,411, and is all in
    Shakey Balls calls 7,311
    DaNutzB shows [Qc 3c]
    Shakey Balls shows [Kd Qh]
    *** RIVER *** [Qd 3s Kh 8h] [5d]
    DaNutzB shows two pair, Queens and Threes
    Shakey Balls shows two pair, Kings and Queens
    Shakey Balls wins the pot (22,047) with two pair, Kings and Queens
    DaNutzB stands up
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 22,047 | Rake 0
    Board: [Qd 3s Kh 8h 5d]
    Seat 1: Shakey Balls showed [Kd Qh] and won (22,047) with two pair, Kings and Queens
    Seat 2: FuNkyFrESH_MiKe (button) folded before the Flop
    Seat 3: DaNutzB (small blind) showed [Qc 3c] and lost with two pair, Queens and Threes
    Seat 4: str8upnutz (big blind) folded on the Flop
    Seat 5: PimplyTeen folded before the Flop
    Seat 6: WilliamLSU23 folded before the Flop
    Seat 7: Jake19B folded on the Flop
    Seat 8: DonFilipe folded before the Flop
    Seat 9: Hoova2Deuce folded before the Flop
  2. southbaykid7 southbaykid7 is offline

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    Nov 29th, 2008 (11/29/2008 11:57pm) in reply to DaNutzB

    fold pre
  3. pikappraider78 pikappraider78 is offline

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    Nov 30th, 2008 (11/30/2008 12:04am) in reply to southbaykid7

    fold pre.... but as played i think you might have been able to get awaY FROM IT on the turn. 88 is a major possibility as is kq. he also might suck and have kj or jq there or maybe be semi bluffing with j 10. so actually i dont think you can get away on the turn. but folding pre elinates these spots
     
  4. nw25th nw25th is offline

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    Nov 30th, 2008 (11/30/2008 12:15am) in reply to DaNutzB

    Fold pre??? Why??? He's in the small blind with a suited silly hand...looks more or less like a cooler...many times villian will show K9+ here with the call...I think you played this hand well, and it just an unlucky outcome...

    edit: I like the check on the turn, since it does look like a blank, unfortunetly your trap didn't work since you didn't have the best hand....
  5. pduubb pduubb is offline

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    Nov 30th, 2008 (11/30/2008 12:15am) in reply to DaNutzB

    Why did you check-raise the turn? Only a better hand is calling. I lead turn, then evaluate from there.

    Opponents Range on Flop: KQ, KJ, KT, QJ, JT, 33

    So 8 on the turn in my mind is a blank.

    Lead 1800 here. If raised, most likely KQ or 33. KJ, KT, JT and QJ would most likely just call, if not fold, so fold to raise on turn.
     
  6. DaNutzB DaNutzB is offline

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    Nov 30th, 2008 (11/30/2008 12:21am) in reply to pduubb

    Obv I thought I was ahead....This is why I played the hand the way I did...

    1) preflop b/c they were suited and pot odds were good
    2) I bet the flop hoping someone with a k9, kj, j10, may reraise
    3)I check the turn to show weakness and induce a bluff or bet from villan
    4) b/c I beleieved he was either pot commited or would fold
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  7. pduubb pduubb is offline

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    Nov 30th, 2008 (11/30/2008 12:33am) in reply to DaNutzB

    1. Ok, its not terrible, but not great.

    2. The flop bet is good, there are draws and someone with a K might come along.

    3. I think it is better to lead. If he checks behind and a 9 or K comes, it hurts you. Your check-raise turned your hand into a bluff. It allows him to play perfectly, call when ahead, fold when behind or on a draw.

    4. Maybe at the time you though he was pot committed, but it looks like there is plenty of fold equity.
     
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