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Flat call or reraise on river...5-10 nl cash game

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  1. brian36lefty brian36lefty is offline

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    Jun 12th, 2007 (6/12/2007 12:43am)

    So I end up hitting a set on the river to make the lowest full house...what should I do?

    Hand #42331734-67969 Summary:

    No rake is taken for this hand.
    nashty2213 wins $10.
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    Hand #42331734-67970 at Onalaska (No Limit Hold'em)
    Started at 12/Jun/07 00:29:38

    nashty2213 is at seat 0 with $1623.
    brian36lefty is at seat 1 with $1750.
    BluHorseshoe is at seat 2 with $1351.
    jhammy24 is at seat 3 with $0 (sitting out).
    member44 is at seat 4 with $1094.50.
    PBJaxxin is at seat 5 with $985.
    The button is at seat 5.

    nashty2213 posts the small blind of $5.
    brian36lefty posts the big blind of $10.

    nashty2213: -- --
    brian36lefty: 3d 3c
    BluHorseshoe: -- --
    member44: -- --
    PBJaxxin: -- --

    Pre-flop:

    BluHorseshoe folds. member44 calls. PBJaxxin folds.
    nashty2213 calls. brian36lefty checks.

    Flop (board: 4h Qc Qs):

    nashty2213 checks. brian36lefty checks. member44
    checks.

    Turn (board: 4h Qc Qs Jd):

    nashty2213 checks. brian36lefty bets $15. member44
    calls. nashty2213 folds.

    River (board: 4h Qc Qs Jd 3s):

    brian36lefty bets $40. member44 raises to $180.
  2. NetFan44 NetFan44 is offline

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    Jun 12th, 2007 (6/12/2007 12:49am) in reply to brian36lefty

    i would smooth call, his line looks a lot like 44 here, and i don't think reraising has much value here
  3. Kajun Kajun is offline

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    Jun 12th, 2007 (6/12/2007 12:49am) in reply to brian36lefty

    I dont play cash online but this seems like a huge overbet... Pots $85 and he pumps it to $180? He either has a set, KJ or is bluffing... I dont see any reason to overbet the boat... AQ, KQ possible here...

    I'd call just for info...
  4. NetFan44 NetFan44 is offline

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    Jun 12th, 2007 (6/12/2007 12:51am) in reply to Kajun

    is villain really open limping AQ or KQ?...i dunno about that one
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    Jun 12th, 2007 (6/12/2007 12:56am) in reply to NetFan44

    Q 10 makes sense too.. people dont always raise with AQ or KQ....
  6. SoNorCal88 SoNorCal88 is offline

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    Jun 12th, 2007 (6/12/2007 12:57am) in reply to NetFan44

    Think about what hands are going to call your river reraise. None that you beat! Just smooth call. If he's bluffing he's not giving you anymore chips, if he has a Jack he's not calling, the only hand that he could possibly have that can pay you off is QT.

    Smooth Call.
  7. d2themfi d2themfi is offline

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    Jun 12th, 2007 (6/12/2007 1:10am) in reply to brian36lefty

    this is a call. At 5-10 most wont call a reraise here without having you beat(44), and if they have qj then they are 4 betting
     
  8. Micdiddy Micdiddy is offline

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    Jun 12th, 2007 (6/12/2007 1:20am) in reply to brian36lefty

    He prop just has the queen here. 44 should be re-raising pre-flop for set value, and QJ or JJ should be raising for value pre. With that said you still have just to just smooth call, can't raise because than anything he does besides folding means you're beat.
  9. Mkind16 Mkind16 is offline

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    Jun 12th, 2007 (6/12/2007 1:30am) in reply to brian36lefty

    You cannot raise here. Only a bad player calls w/ worse. He's either bluffing or he really slowplayed a QJ to death here. Either way, a raise gets u nowhere.
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  10. koolromeo koolromeo is offline

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    Jun 12th, 2007 (6/12/2007 1:32am) in reply to Micdiddy

    i would reraise. the only hand i'm worried about is q-j. k-q or a-q are very likely here. whatever he has, he obviously slowplayed it. if he has 4-4, i lose my money. if you had 55 and the river was a 5 would your river action be different?
  11. tiltyjoker tiltyjoker is offline

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    Jun 12th, 2007 (6/12/2007 1:37am) in reply to Mkind16

    yeah i dont like puttin in another reraise in this spot
     
  12. brian36lefty brian36lefty is offline

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    Jun 12th, 2007 (6/12/2007 2:53am) in reply to brian36lefty

    Thank you to everyone who confirmed my stupidity....basically a zero sum play on my part. Not that it matters, but he had Quad Q's. Dumb on my part...
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  13. TheWatchMan TheWatchMan is offline

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    Jun 12th, 2007 (6/12/2007 6:28am) in reply to brian36lefty

    it does depend on your opponent. i wouldn't say reraising is always wrong, but only get value about a bad player.. and it is a more risky line.

    lesson learned anyway.

    and it's still like brunson says.. never go broke in an unraised pot.
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