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Flat or ISO?

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  1. UT_65 UT_65 is offline

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    Dec 26th, 2008 (12/26/2008 12:20am)

    is this an ISO or just a FLAT?
    Full Tilt Poker Game #9689059330: $28,000 Guarantee (73695345), Table 123 - 500/1000 Ante 125 - No Limit Hold'em - 1:11:07 ET - 2008/12/26
    Seat 1: putas1973 (52,020)
    Seat 3: swayz65 (40,485)
    Seat 4: Muck If You Buc (27,298)
    Seat 5: hl6688 (23,971)
    Seat 6: pokerfish8 (22,660)
    Seat 7: UrCshMyPockt (7,580)
    Seat 8: gringo_68 (34,202)
    Seat 9: NewYorkGiants8 (18,669)
    putas1973 antes 125
    swayz65 antes 125
    Muck If You Buc antes 125
    hl6688 antes 125
    pokerfish8 antes 125
    UrCshMyPockt antes 125
    gringo_68 antes 125
    NewYorkGiants8 antes 125
    hl6688 posts the small blind of 500
    pokerfish8 posts the big blind of 1,000
    The button is in seat #4
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to swayz65 [Ad Qc]
    UrCshMyPockt raises to 7,455, and is all in
    gringo_68 folds
    NewYorkGiants8 folds
    putas1973 folds
    swayz65:??!?!?!??!
  2. rustyville rustyville is offline

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    Dec 26th, 2008 (12/26/2008 12:22am) in reply to UT_65

    Looks like a standard fold to me here, in so many ways.
  3. Etrain99 Etrain99 is offline

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    Dec 26th, 2008 (12/26/2008 12:22am) in reply to UT_65

    <TABLE id=HB_Mail_Container height="100%" cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=0 UNSELECTABLE="on"><TBODY><TR height="100%" UNSELECTABLE="on" width="100%"><TD id=HB_Focus_Element vAlign=top width="100%" background="" height=250 UNSELECTABLE="off">flat homez
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  4. Adam013085 Adam013085 is offline

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    Dec 26th, 2008 (12/26/2008 12:41am) in reply to Etrain99

    i prob iso
  5. snapcall18 snapcall18 is offline

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    Dec 26th, 2008 (12/26/2008 12:54am) in reply to rustyville

    i iso
  6. jackson18249 jackson18249 is offline

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    Dec 26th, 2008 (12/26/2008 12:59am) in reply to UT_65

    well, u have a 27, 24, and 22 big blind stack to act behind you. If you flat this raise, putting 17,500 in the pot, and the 27 bb stack shoves, u will be getting about 2.25-1 to make the call , so you will be getting your chips in no matter what decision you end up making. I think that either an iso min raise or iso shove are both correct in this spot. Flatting isn't horrible, but I would not recommend. What did you end up doing?
     
  7. bthsidesnow bthsidesnow is offline

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    Dec 26th, 2008 (12/26/2008 12:59am) in reply to UT_65

    iso > fold > call imo
     
  8. deezy5821 deezy5821 is offline

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    Dec 26th, 2008 (12/26/2008 1:10am) in reply to UT_65

    iso ho
     
  9. Etrain99 Etrain99 is offline

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    Dec 26th, 2008 (12/26/2008 1:14am) in reply to UT_65

    <TABLE id=HB_Mail_Container height="100%" cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=0 UNSELECTABLE="on"><TBODY><TR height="100%" width="100%" UNSELECTABLE="on"><TD id=HB_Focus_Element vAlign=top width="100%" background="" height=250 UNSELECTABLE="off">yea i retract my previous statement .. wasnt realling looking at who was left to act behind you ... i mean flat should work as i dont see the stacks left calling off around a third of their chips with nothing but min iso or shoving should do the trick just as well
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  10. -BlackFours- -BlackFours- is offline

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    Dec 26th, 2008 (12/26/2008 1:25am) in reply to UT_65

    I iso since the largest stack behind you is like 25 bbs...but if putas was still behind you I'd flat
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  11. Defndrofangels Defndrofangels is offline

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    Dec 26th, 2008 (12/26/2008 1:45am) in reply to -BlackFours-

    Iso raise baby.
  12. SCTrojans SCTrojans is offline

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    Dec 26th, 2008 (12/26/2008 3:02am) in reply to bthsidesnow

     
    Originally Posted by bthsidesnow View Post

    iso > fold > call imo

    ? lol
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  13. darrick00 darrick00 is offline

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    Dec 26th, 2008 (12/26/2008 4:31am) in reply to SCTrojans

    im not understanding how fold in someones equation. care to elaborate?
  14. threeven threeven is offline

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    Dec 26th, 2008 (12/26/2008 4:34am) in reply to SCTrojans

     
    Originally Posted by SCTrojans View Post

     
    Originally Posted by bthsidesnow View Post

    iso > fold > call imo

    ? lol

    lolololololololol
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  15. cod meharly cod meharly is offline

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    Dec 26th, 2008 (12/26/2008 7:06am) in reply to threeven

    this one is tough, i thaught about it for about 3 seconds and then came up with the conclusion thet i iso about 99% of the time. The 1% i act differently is if i spontaneously combust and somehow knock the mouse to click fold or call......
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  16. Gettin Daize Gettin Daize is offline

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    Dec 26th, 2008 (12/26/2008 7:49am) in reply to bthsidesnow

     
    Originally Posted by bthsidesnow View Post

    iso > fold > call imo

    yikes.....iso tho if there was 40k stack behind i could see calling
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  17. smheilbron smheilbron is offline

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    Dec 26th, 2008 (12/26/2008 11:16am) in reply to rustyville

     
    Originally Posted by rustyville View Post

    Looks like a standard fold to me here, in so many ways.

    so many ways? i cant think of one reason
  18. cod meharly cod meharly is offline

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    Dec 26th, 2008 (12/26/2008 11:49am) in reply to smheilbron

     
    Originally Posted by smheilbron View Post

     
    Originally Posted by rustyville View Post

    Looks like a standard fold to me here, in so many ways.

    so many ways? i cant think of one reason

    seriously if ur folding here can we play HU all day every day...........
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  19. UT_65 UT_65 is offline

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    Dec 26th, 2008 (12/26/2008 1:36pm) in reply to cod meharly

    i ended up shoving and sucked out vs. the UTG's AK lol

    but pretty sure that it was the correct ISO

    thanks for the advice
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  20. IBGrindin IBGrindin is offline

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    Dec 26th, 2008 (12/26/2008 1:44pm) in reply to rustyville

     
    Originally Posted by rustyville View Post

    Looks like a standard fold to me here, in so many ways.

    you can't be serious
     
  21. patvoytko patvoytko is offline

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    Dec 26th, 2008 (12/26/2008 2:03pm) in reply to IBGrindin

    why is flatting bad here?

    if you flat you might be able to bring in another player with a weaker holdings and put more money in the pot, rather than just isolate the original shover...and if you were planning to shove anyway, you would be calling the re-raise regardless??

    is my thinking wrong here
  22. ronkend ronkend is offline

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    Dec 26th, 2008 (12/26/2008 2:04pm) in reply to patvoytko

    insert the rest of your remaining chips into the middle.
  23. Gettin Daize Gettin Daize is offline

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    Dec 26th, 2008 (12/26/2008 4:01pm) in reply to patvoytko

    well by shoving u also fold out some pairs that u dont want in there that might come along if u flat.
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  24. MikeCaroJr MikeCaroJr is offline

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    Dec 26th, 2008 (12/26/2008 4:23pm) in reply to UT_65

    flat, call shove > iso
  25. Etrain99 Etrain99 is offline

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    Dec 26th, 2008 (12/26/2008 7:10pm) in reply to patvoytko

     
    Originally Posted by patvoytko View Post

    why is flatting bad here?

    if you flat you might be able to bring in another player with a weaker holdings and put more money in the pot, rather than just isolate the original shover...and if you were planning to shove anyway, you would be calling the re-raise regardless??

    is my thinking wrong here

    this was my original thought which is why i wrote flat initially but then looking at stack sizes of people left to act iso seems find just cuz i feel there is no need to get tricky and overthink a seemingly straightforward situation ... i definitely was thinknig this too however
  26. SCTrojans SCTrojans is offline

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    Dec 26th, 2008 (12/26/2008 7:20pm) in reply to UT_65

    Iso and flat/call shove are ridiculously close to equal ev.
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  27. Bdybldngpkrplyr Bdybldngpkrplyr is offline

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    Dec 26th, 2008 (12/26/2008 8:58pm) in reply to UT_65

    Easy shove, biggest stack behind you is only 27bbs
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  28. Shaaarrrp Shaaarrrp is offline

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    Dec 26th, 2008 (12/26/2008 9:38pm) in reply to UT_65

    LOL @ fold Push > Call > Fold
     
  29. taypaur taypaur is offline

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    Dec 26th, 2008 (12/26/2008 9:51pm) in reply to UT_65

    not worth 2 pages imo. iso all day
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  30. pikappraider78 pikappraider78 is offline

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    Dec 26th, 2008 (12/26/2008 10:19pm) in reply to threeven

    i iso here all day. i was thinking though it is a pretty good spot to flat and try to induce one of the people behind to iso weaker. but they dont have fold euity so ehh just ship it in
     
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