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Is this flop play bad?

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  1. JET17 JET17 is offline

    Covina, CA
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    Jun 26th, 2009 (6/26/2009 5:59pm)

    I'd only been at this table for 2 orbits. This is a situation that I find myself in a lot and I'm not really sure the best action. Should I raise smaller on the flop, call, or is the push good. My thinking is that there was $7,800 in the pot when he bets the flop and I have $12,200 behind. If I call the pot has $10,200 and I'll have $9,800 going to the turn. Does the push here make sense or do I wait to see what the turn brings? I don't want to let him control the pot if he has a str8 draw and get there cheap. If he has the Q and the turn is a blank we most likely get the money in, but he most likely shuts down to an over. Or am I just playing this totally wrong and playing it way too fast?

    pokerstars Game #29813380152: Tournament #173033915, $10+$1 Hold'em No Limit - Level XI (400/800) - 2009/06/26 17:40:24 ET
    Table '173033915 20' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
    Seat 1: Stocki59 (21365 in chips)
    Seat 2: JonesVI (74957 in chips)
    Seat 4: ey85 (71056 in chips)
    Seat 5: chriscwm88 (50710 in chips)
    Seat 6: Pitstop1099 (17541 in chips)
    Seat 7: schocker45 (52492 in chips)
    Seat 8: JET17 (14275 in chips)
    Seat 9: TONY G500 (61499 in chips)
    Stocki59: posts the ante 75
    JonesVI: posts the ante 75
    ey85: posts the ante 75
    chriscwm88: posts the ante 75
    Pitstop1099: posts the ante 75
    schocker45: posts the ante 75
    JET17: posts the ante 75
    TONY G500: posts the ante 75
    JonesVI: posts small blind 400
    ey85: posts big blind 800
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to JET17 [6h 6s]
    chriscwm88: folds
    Pitstop1099: folds
    schocker45: folds
    JET17: raises 1200 to 2000
    TONY G500: folds
    Stocki59: folds
    JonesVI: calls 1600
    ey85: folds
    *** FLOP *** [7s 6d Qh]
    JonesVI: bets 2400
    JET17: raises 9800 to 12200 and is all-in
    JonesVI: folds
    Uncalled bet (9800) returned to JET17
    JET17 collected 10200 from pot
    JET17: doesn't show hand
  2. LordPye LordPye is offline

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    Jun 26th, 2009 (6/26/2009 7:03pm) in reply to JET17

    With position like this on the villain and that kind of awesome flop, you played this too fast.

    With your preflop raise I just dont see the villain showing up with an 89 or something here for a straight draw. I would suspect the villain has a pp of some sort, maybe 88 99 or even worse like 44 or 55. The flop is innucuous so he may think he's good here if you have AK or something like that. If you simply call on the flop he has ZERO idea what you have and may opt to fire another barrel on the turn which is exactly what you want.

    If he has air he may hit the turn and then you have him trapped dead to nuts. Even if he doesn't hit, if he chooses to fire another barrel on the turn he's pretty much priced in to call off the rest of whatever you can reraise on the turn.

    Next time play it a lil slower and let the villain OOP hang himself.
  3. thunderchild thunderchild is offline

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    Jun 26th, 2009 (6/26/2009 7:05pm) in reply to JET17

    I think you played it fine.He is going to pay you off with most of his range here.
  4. DutchCourage DutchCourage is offline

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    Jun 29th, 2009 (6/29/2009 7:52am) in reply to LordPye

     
    Originally Posted by LordPye View Post

    With position like this on the villain and that kind of awesome flop, you played this too fast.

    With your preflop raise I just dont see the villain showing up with an 89 or something here for a straight draw. I would suspect the villain has a pp of some sort, maybe 88 99 or even worse like 44 or 55. The flop is innucuous so he may think he's good here if you have AK or something like that. If you simply call on the flop he has ZERO idea what you have and may opt to fire another barrel on the turn which is exactly what you want.

    If he has air he may hit the turn and then you have him trapped dead to nuts. Even if he doesn't hit, if he chooses to fire another barrel on the turn he's pretty much priced in to call off the rest of whatever you can reraise on the turn.

    Next time play it a lil slower and let the villain OOP hang himself.

    ^^this. Well explained too.
  5. uhwhatsthatdeal uhwhatsthatdeal is offline

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    Jun 30th, 2009 (6/30/2009 10:21am) in reply to JET17

    I usually don't like just a call here, but since it's the later stages and you want to get max value for your big hands, I think flatting is your best option, especially with a non-threatening board like this. This looks like a stop n go move, and chances are, the villain has air, a small pp, or something like A7 (which he may have called your raise with). Let him do the betting, it looks like he wants to push you off a mediocre hand, so let him try.
  6. langedoggy langedoggy is offline

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    Jul 1st, 2009 (7/1/2009 12:08pm) in reply to JET17

    I agree with the other posts that you played it too fast. You flopped a monster on a very safe board. The fact that he called a raise in the SB doesn't give much of a chance for any sort of straight draw with middle connectors. So he either has a some sort of middle pair or maybe the Q (which is great news if he does) and wnats to see where hes at. You're not folding here so I think flat calling is the right move. You have a much better shot at getting all of his chips on later streets. If he had a higher pair than yours to start then he only has two outs, you'll take that spot every day.
  7. hushpuckena hushpuckena is offline

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    Jul 1st, 2009 (7/1/2009 2:56pm) in reply to JET17

    The flop call seems better, unless you're playing someone who's a LAP, thus very likely to view the big move as the same sort of play he/she would be likely to make with a holding such as top pair. If your opponent shuts down after your call, nothing's lost.
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