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  1. Full Tilt Poker Game #13858213873: $50,000 Guarantee (100012327), Table 39 - 20/40 - No Limit Hold'em - 15:28:17 ET - 2009/08/06
    Seat 1: HEINEMEN (7,116)
    Seat 2: OUU THE NICK (2,915)
    Seat 3: Ngoo_i (3,552)
    Seat 4: chicagocards1 (2,955)
    Seat 5: jordankickz (4,213)
    Seat 6: sam jaradat (2,535)
    Seat 7: 4everunkown (4,560)
    Seat 8: kayannagyn (2,880)
    Seat 9: the_nutshot2 (2,574)
    4everunkown posts the small blind of 20
    kayannagyn posts the big blind of 40
    The button is in seat #6
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to 4everunkown [Ah Ac]
    the_nutshot2 folds
    HEINEMEN folds
    OUU THE NICK folds
    Ngoo_i folds
    chicagocards1 folds
    jordankickz raises to 120
    sam jaradat folds
    4everunkown raises to 400
    kayannagyn folds
    jordankickz calls 280
    *** FLOP *** [5d 8s Tc]
    4everunkown checks
    jordankickz has 15 seconds left to act
    jordankickz bets 520

    Jordan is pretty tight solid good and he prob views me as Loose aggro unable to fold an overpair in this spot type of player. I really wanna check fold thoughts?
  2. u must be hella blazed bro
  3.  
    Originally Posted by Hixx View Post

    u must be hella blazed bro

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  4. I'm confused.. you said you want to check/fold?

    Doesn't that mean he has 1010 ONLY, maybe 88/55?

    Not being a smartass, but I guess I'm wondering why you checked? I thought you were checking for value, but b/c you want to fold you weren't?

    My head is asploding right now. Call/lead turn?
  5. I just punched my monitor when I read this.
  6.  
    Originally Posted by Hixx View Post

    u must be hella blazed bro

    this. pocket rockets bro
  7. When I check the flop Im checkin for value. However, when JordanKickz bets this flop I feel like he would only bet 55,88,TT. He cant even have any variation of a draw IMO, im highly certain he 4bets KK and Im pretty sure he would check the flop with QQ or JJ so ya I think once he bets this flop Im crushed.
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  8. looooool
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  9. Def not folding here...and i prlly like chk call in this spot to under rep ur hand and catch possible bluffs. It is still likely he has a hand like JJ QQ KK. Of course it is possible that ur beat but you cant possibly EVER chk fold..
  10. Rock i think your jumping to conclusions a little with his image, your image, how he views your image. I think if you Lead 520 and he shoved a fold is definitely possible as he puts u on overpair and not being able to fold.. but with your check i dont think he necessarily puts u on overpair therefore i dont know if check/folding makes any sense as your just assuming he knows you have overpair therefore he would only bet like that with a set to induce your shove. I think IF you check that flop and he bets 520 a fold makes no sense. Chalk it up to a cooler at that point but i dont think you gave yourself any true info into him having set there except for the fact you re-popped him pre and he flats often with pairs there. But as played i think he bets flop there with JJ-KK as well and with the money in i dont know if its set enough over other possibilities for check fold to be appropriate. Might be more history there than i know but thats just how it seems to me.
     
  11.  
    Originally Posted by rock3656 View Post


    When I check the flop Im checkin for value. However, when JordanKickz bets this flop I feel like he would only bet 55,88,TT. He cant even have any variation of a draw IMO, im highly certain he 4bets KK and Im pretty sure he would check the flop with QQ or JJ so ya I think once he bets this flop Im crushed.

    I kinda doubt hes calling with 55 pre vs your your perceived 3 betting range OOP pre antes. Then again 88 and 10 10 kind of are the same as 55 vs your range so I dunno. Atleast from my perspective since I know you have a lot of tables I'm going to give you a lot of credit here preflop, but I would think your capable of being light here a small percentage of the time also.

    edit: didnt see stack sizes are deeper than starting stack but still seems absurd to weight his range only to 88 10 10 .
  12.  
    Originally Posted by rock3656 View Post


    When I check the flop Im checkin for value. However, when JordanKickz bets this flop I feel like he would only bet 55,88,TT. He cant even have any variation of a draw IMO, im highly certain he 4bets KK and Im pretty sure he would check the flop with QQ or JJ so ya I think once he bets this flop Im crushed.

    How is it a check for value if u think he only bets 1st 2nd and 3rd nuts?
  13.  
    Originally Posted by swd805 View Post

     
    Originally Posted by rock3656 View Post


    When I check the flop Im checkin for value. However, when JordanKickz bets this flop I feel like he would only bet 55,88,TT. He cant even have any variation of a draw IMO, im highly certain he 4bets KK and Im pretty sure he would check the flop with QQ or JJ so ya I think once he bets this flop Im crushed.

    How is it a check for value if u think he only bets 1st 2nd and 3rd nuts?

    I meant more along the lines that Im checking with the thought that I have the best hand a high percentage of the time.
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  14.  
    Originally Posted by swd805 View Post

     
    Originally Posted by rock3656 View Post


    When I check the flop Im checkin for value. However, when JordanKickz bets this flop I feel like he would only bet 55,88,TT. He cant even have any variation of a draw IMO, im highly certain he 4bets KK and Im pretty sure he would check the flop with QQ or JJ so ya I think once he bets this flop Im crushed.

    How is it a check for value if u think he only bets 1st 2nd and 3rd nuts?

    this is so hof
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  15. how do you figure he doesn't bet JJ-QQ here to protect his hand

    you could easily have AK and how you react after his bet will define your hand very well, whether you call or check-raise will pretty much turn your hand faceup

    EDIT: just read the part about check-folding...this is a level you sicko, isn't it
     
  16. just start lol'ing and pretending like everyone is a retard for not realizing it was a level so you can save face.
     
  17. u should 2+2 this one, maybe he will give you a response...otherwise I have no input really except....if he thinks ur a loose cannon, assign a range that you think he puts you on. If it is wide, aka like AT, AJ, etc etc, is he really checking TT/JJ/QQ?
  18. so jordankickz looks at you as very loose aggressive maybe even spewy and your considering check folding AA here? rly?
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  19.  
    Originally Posted by JBT449 View Post

     
    Originally Posted by rock3656 View Post


    When I check the flop Im checkin for value. However, when JordanKickz bets this flop I feel like he would only bet 55,88,TT. He cant even have any variation of a draw IMO, im highly certain he 4bets KK and Im pretty sure he would check the flop with QQ or JJ so ya I think once he bets this flop Im crushed.

    I kinda doubt hes calling with 55 pre vs your your perceived 3 betting range OOP pre antes. Then again 88 and 10 10 kind of are the same as 55 vs your range so I dunno. Atleast from my perspective since I know you have a lot of tables I'm going to give you a lot of credit here preflop, but I would think your capable of being light here a small percentage of the time also.

    edit: didnt see stack sizes are deeper than starting stack but still seems absurd to weight his range only to 88 10 10 .

    ya TT=55 pretty much I thought, How would you percieve a flop check, would you ever bet with worse? Wouldnt you check back like JJ QQ or some ish like that.
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  20. [ ] real
     
  21. fail
     
  22. Easy fold. Probably should have saved some trouble and just mucked pre IMO.
  23. sick image post
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  24. shawn is tightish, but hes not nitty, trust me, he does some absurd stuff sometimes, c/f this flop would be ridiculous. He can have all types of QJs, KQs, AQ type hands, along with betting QQ and KK for value, he also checks the flop with a set some % of the time.
     
  25. you should just fold preflop ldo
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  26. anfo you suck pal<input id="gwProxy" type="hidden"><input onclick="jsCall();" id="jsProxy" type="hidden">
  27. Full Tilt Poker Game #13858213873: $50,000 Guarantee (100012327), Table 39 - 20/40 - No Limit Hold'em - 15:28:17 ET - 2009/08/06
    Seat 1: HEINEMEN (7,116)
    Seat 2: OUU THE NICK (2,915)
    Seat 3: Ngoo_i (3,552)
    Seat 4: chicagocards1 (2,955)
    Seat 5: jordankickz (4,213)
    Seat 6: sam jaradat (2,535)
    Seat 7: 4everunkown (4,560)
    Seat 8: kayannagyn (2,880)
    Seat 9: the_nutshot2 (2,574)
    4everunkown posts the small blind of 20
    kayannagyn posts the big blind of 40
    The button is in seat #6
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to 4everunkown [Ah Ac]
    the_nutshot2 folds
    HEINEMEN folds
    OUU THE NICK folds
    Ngoo_i folds
    chicagocards1 folds
    jordankickz raises to 120
    sam jaradat folds
    4everunkown raises to 400
    kayannagyn folds
    jordankickz calls 280
    *** FLOP *** [5d 8s Tc]
    4everunkown checks
    jordankickz has 15 seconds left to act
    jordankickz bets 520
    4everunkown has 15 seconds left to act
    4everunkown calls 520
    *** TURN *** [5d 8s Tc] [9c]
    4everunkown checks
    jordankickz has 15 seconds left to act
    jordankickz bets 1,200
    4everunkown:

    Well I didnt fold flop since none of you are folding flop i assume youre all getting it in here?
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  28. idk why you think he's auto 4betting kk. i think he's probably flatting a bunch of hands incl kk/aa and is betting this flop with all sorts of missed hands like kq qj aq and overpairs so ck/f sounds horrifically bad... also if you're checking for value, isn't it to get a bet out of his bluffs and worse hands!??!?! so you check to get value, then fold bc you're now somehow beat?
  29. i've heard of fps is this ffs?
     

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