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Full Tilt Poker Game #13858213873: $50,000 Guarantee (100012327), Table 39 - 20/40 - No Limit Hold'em - 15:28:17 ET - 2009/08/06
Seat 1: HEINEMEN (7,116)
Seat 2: OUU THE NICK (2,915)
Seat 3: Ngoo_i (3,552)
Seat 4: chicagocards1 (2,955)
Seat 5: jordankickz (4,213)
Seat 6: sam jaradat (2,535)
Seat 7: 4everunkown (4,560)
Seat 8: kayannagyn (2,880)
Seat 9: the_nutshot2 (2,574)
4everunkown posts the small blind of 20
kayannagyn posts the big blind of 40
The button is in seat #6
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to 4everunkown [Ah Ac]
the_nutshot2 folds
HEINEMEN folds
OUU THE NICK folds
Ngoo_i folds
chicagocards1 folds
jordankickz raises to 120
sam jaradat folds
4everunkown raises to 400
kayannagyn folds
jordankickz calls 280
*** FLOP *** [5d 8s Tc]
4everunkown checks
jordankickz has 15 seconds left to act
jordankickz bets 520
Jordan is pretty tight solid good and he prob views me as Loose aggro unable to fold an overpair in this spot type of player. I really wanna check fold thoughts? -
I'm confused.. you said you want to check/fold?
Doesn't that mean he has 1010 ONLY, maybe 88/55?
Not being a smartass, but I guess I'm wondering why you checked? I thought you were checking for value, but b/c you want to fold you weren't?
My head is asploding right now. Call/lead turn? -
I just punched my monitor when I read this.
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When I check the flop Im checkin for value. However, when JordanKickz bets this flop I feel like he would only bet 55,88,TT. He cant even have any variation of a draw IMO, im highly certain he 4bets KK and Im pretty sure he would check the flop with QQ or JJ so ya I think once he bets this flop Im crushed.
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Rock i think your jumping to conclusions a little with his image, your image, how he views your image. I think if you Lead 520 and he shoved a fold is definitely possible as he puts u on overpair and not being able to fold.. but with your check i dont think he necessarily puts u on overpair therefore i dont know if check/folding makes any sense as your just assuming he knows you have overpair therefore he would only bet like that with a set to induce your shove. I think IF you check that flop and he bets 520 a fold makes no sense. Chalk it up to a cooler at that point but i dont think you gave yourself any true info into him having set there except for the fact you re-popped him pre and he flats often with pairs there. But as played i think he bets flop there with JJ-KK as well and with the money in i dont know if its set enough over other possibilities for check fold to be appropriate. Might be more history there than i know but thats just how it seems to me.
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I kinda doubt hes calling with 55 pre vs your your perceived 3 betting range OOP pre antes. Then again 88 and 10 10 kind of are the same as 55 vs your range so I dunno. Atleast from my perspective since I know you have a lot of tables I'm going to give you a lot of credit here preflop, but I would think your capable of being light here a small percentage of the time also.
Originally Posted by rock3656
When I check the flop Im checkin for value. However, when JordanKickz bets this flop I feel like he would only bet 55,88,TT. He cant even have any variation of a draw IMO, im highly certain he 4bets KK and Im pretty sure he would check the flop with QQ or JJ so ya I think once he bets this flop Im crushed.
edit: didnt see stack sizes are deeper than starting stack but still seems absurd to weight his range only to 88 10 10 . -
How is it a check for value if u think he only bets 1st 2nd and 3rd nuts?
Originally Posted by rock3656
When I check the flop Im checkin for value. However, when JordanKickz bets this flop I feel like he would only bet 55,88,TT. He cant even have any variation of a draw IMO, im highly certain he 4bets KK and Im pretty sure he would check the flop with QQ or JJ so ya I think once he bets this flop Im crushed. -
I meant more along the lines that Im checking with the thought that I have the best hand a high percentage of the time.
Originally Posted by swd805
How is it a check for value if u think he only bets 1st 2nd and 3rd nuts?Originally Posted by rock3656
When I check the flop Im checkin for value. However, when JordanKickz bets this flop I feel like he would only bet 55,88,TT. He cant even have any variation of a draw IMO, im highly certain he 4bets KK and Im pretty sure he would check the flop with QQ or JJ so ya I think once he bets this flop Im crushed. -
this is so hof
Originally Posted by swd805
How is it a check for value if u think he only bets 1st 2nd and 3rd nuts?Originally Posted by rock3656
When I check the flop Im checkin for value. However, when JordanKickz bets this flop I feel like he would only bet 55,88,TT. He cant even have any variation of a draw IMO, im highly certain he 4bets KK and Im pretty sure he would check the flop with QQ or JJ so ya I think once he bets this flop Im crushed. -
how do you figure he doesn't bet JJ-QQ here to protect his hand
you could easily have AK and how you react after his bet will define your hand very well, whether you call or check-raise will pretty much turn your hand faceup
EDIT: just read the part about check-folding...this is a level you sicko, isn't it -
u should 2+2 this one, maybe he will give you a response...otherwise I have no input really except....if he thinks ur a loose cannon, assign a range that you think he puts you on. If it is wide, aka like AT, AJ, etc etc, is he really checking TT/JJ/QQ?
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so jordankickz looks at you as very loose aggressive maybe even spewy and your considering check folding AA here? rly?
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ya TT=55 pretty much I thought, How would you percieve a flop check, would you ever bet with worse? Wouldnt you check back like JJ QQ or some ish like that.
Originally Posted by JBT449
I kinda doubt hes calling with 55 pre vs your your perceived 3 betting range OOP pre antes. Then again 88 and 10 10 kind of are the same as 55 vs your range so I dunno. Atleast from my perspective since I know you have a lot of tables I'm going to give you a lot of credit here preflop, but I would think your capable of being light here a small percentage of the time also.Originally Posted by rock3656
When I check the flop Im checkin for value. However, when JordanKickz bets this flop I feel like he would only bet 55,88,TT. He cant even have any variation of a draw IMO, im highly certain he 4bets KK and Im pretty sure he would check the flop with QQ or JJ so ya I think once he bets this flop Im crushed.
edit: didnt see stack sizes are deeper than starting stack but still seems absurd to weight his range only to 88 10 10 . -
Full Tilt Poker Game #13858213873: $50,000 Guarantee (100012327), Table 39 - 20/40 - No Limit Hold'em - 15:28:17 ET - 2009/08/06
Seat 1: HEINEMEN (7,116)
Seat 2: OUU THE NICK (2,915)
Seat 3: Ngoo_i (3,552)
Seat 4: chicagocards1 (2,955)
Seat 5: jordankickz (4,213)
Seat 6: sam jaradat (2,535)
Seat 7: 4everunkown (4,560)
Seat 8: kayannagyn (2,880)
Seat 9: the_nutshot2 (2,574)
4everunkown posts the small blind of 20
kayannagyn posts the big blind of 40
The button is in seat #6
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to 4everunkown [Ah Ac]
the_nutshot2 folds
HEINEMEN folds
OUU THE NICK folds
Ngoo_i folds
chicagocards1 folds
jordankickz raises to 120
sam jaradat folds
4everunkown raises to 400
kayannagyn folds
jordankickz calls 280
*** FLOP *** [5d 8s Tc]
4everunkown checks
jordankickz has 15 seconds left to act
jordankickz bets 520
4everunkown has 15 seconds left to act
4everunkown calls 520
*** TURN *** [5d 8s Tc] [9c]
4everunkown checks
jordankickz has 15 seconds left to act
jordankickz bets 1,200
4everunkown:
Well I didnt fold flop since none of you are folding flop i assume youre all getting it in here? -
idk why you think he's auto 4betting kk. i think he's probably flatting a bunch of hands incl kk/aa and is betting this flop with all sorts of missed hands like kq qj aq and overpairs so ck/f sounds horrifically bad... also if you're checking for value, isn't it to get a bet out of his bluffs and worse hands!??!?! so you check to get value, then fold bc you're now somehow beat?











