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  1. bighaley21 bighaley21 is offline

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    May 2nd, 2008 (5/2/2008 1:21am)

    pokerstars Game #17140023042: Tournament #86640417, $9.00+$0.90 Hold'em No Limit - Level XV (1000/2000) - 2008/05/02 - 01:10:15 (ET)
    Table '86640417 29' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
    Seat 1: Fishlake (48286 in chips)
    Seat 2: bighaley21 (146582 in chips)
    Seat 4: fido72 (23626 in chips)
    Seat 5: T_Money_43 (24498 in chips)
    Seat 6: life sign (63111 in chips)
    Seat 7: vuurwerk_16 (81942 in chips)
    Seat 8: Energy99 (117899 in chips)
    Seat 9: Peace 2 Uall (34056 in chips)
    Fishlake: posts the ante 200
    bighaley21: posts the ante 200
    fido72: posts the ante 200
    T_Money_43: posts the ante 200
    life sign: posts the ante 200
    vuurwerk_16: posts the ante 200
    Energy99: posts the ante 200
    Peace 2 Uall: posts the ante 200
    life sign: posts small blind 1000
    vuurwerk_16: posts big blind 2000
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to bighaley21 [8s 9s]
    Energy99: raises 4000 to 6000
    Peace 2 Uall: folds
    Fishlake: folds
    bighaley21: calls 6000
    fido72: folds
    T_Money_43: folds
    life sign: folds
    vuurwerk_16: folds
    *** FLOP *** [Ts 7s Js]
    Energy99: bets 10000

    How exactly do you maximize value here???
  2. MYBLUEDOG MYBLUEDOG is offline

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    May 2nd, 2008 (5/2/2008 7:16am) in reply to bighaley21

    Find an opponent with a hand. It's the same in flopping any made hand.

    If the opponent doesn't have pair/FD, 2Pair, set, str8 draw or something, he has no incentive to put money into the pot.

    You're OOP, so you probably have to check to see if the opponent has anything (flop & turn). Bet something like 1/2 pot on the river.

    If you're leading into the pot on the flop, you have to make it look like a weak cBet. 1/3 to 1/2 PSB, but it all depends on how you've seen the opponent react to those kinds of bets. If he will attack weakness, go with 1/3 PSB and look for him to come-over the top. If you think he will chase a draw, give him respectable PO.

    This is a situation were you have only 1 or two scare cards [Js,Qs]. Those are the only two cards that will ever beat your hand.
  3. AceOfHobbes AceOfHobbes is offline

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    May 2nd, 2008 (5/2/2008 12:46pm) in reply to MYBLUEDOG

     
    Originally Posted by MYBLUEDOG View Post

    Find an opponent with a hand. It's the same in flopping any made hand.

    If the opponent doesn't have pair/FD, 2Pair, set, str8 draw or something, he has no incentive to put money into the pot.

    You're OOP, so you probably have to check to see if the opponent has anything (flop & turn). Bet something like 1/2 pot on the river.

    If you're leading into the pot on the flop, you have to make it look like a weak cBet. 1/3 to 1/2 PSB, but it all depends on how you've seen the opponent react to those kinds of bets. If he will attack weakness, go with 1/3 PSB and look for him to come-over the top. If you think he will chase a draw, give him respectable PO.

    This is a situation were you have only 1 or two scare cards [Js,Qs]. Those are the only two cards that will ever beat your hand.

    Unless the OP changed his post he has position on the raiser.

    Given the UTG raise and the cbet on the flop, I prob throw in a smallish raise here.

    If he has a hand (which I suspect is KK/AA at this point), he prob comes over the top figuring you for AJ.

    Shove the turn if he just calls the flop raise.

    Even if he has KsQs (or AsKs) he is drawing to a 1 outer.

    BTW bluedog, if the raiser has Js, I'd be real scared as there is already a Js on the board.
  4. MYBLUEDOG MYBLUEDOG is offline

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    May 2nd, 2008 (5/2/2008 1:17pm) in reply to AceOfHobbes

    AOH is correct.

    OMG, I shouldn't reply to post that time of day.
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    May 2nd, 2008 (5/2/2008 1:20pm) in reply to AceOfHobbes

    I like flatting behind the flop and turn here and on the river getting in whatever raise you think you can get paid off on. If he has AA/KK w/o As/Ks any raise may run him off. If he has the made non-nut flush or set he may/may not come along. Only the made nut flush can feel good OOP on this board.

    If you do raise, I would rather see a push here. It will look like a made but weak flush trying to drive off a naked As.

    my 2 cents
  6. sotti sotti is offline

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    May 2nd, 2008 (5/2/2008 2:32pm) in reply to bighaley21

    pray somebody makes 2 pair, set, nut flush, full house or quads and will stick it all in.
  7. IcEaGe IcEaGe is offline

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    May 3rd, 2008 (5/3/2008 2:59am) in reply to AceOfHobbes

    "This is a situation were you have only 1 or two scare cards [Js,Qs]. Those are the only two cards that will ever beat your hand."

    Js is on the board already.

    "If he has a hand (which I suspect is KK/AA at this point), he prob comes over the top figuring you for AJ."

    How can u narrow his range so quickly?

    "BTW bluedog, if the raiser has Js, I'd be real scared as there is already a Js on the board."

    Please tell me what this means?
  8. Lord Supremo Lord Supremo is offline actually a tuvalu lord (sigh)

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    May 3rd, 2008 (5/3/2008 6:06am) in reply to IcEaGe

     
    Originally Posted by IcEaGe View Post

    "BTW bluedog, if the raiser has Js, I'd be real scared as there is already a Js on the board."
    Please tell me what this means?

    The Js is on the board. If the other guy has the Js in his hand, then two Jacks of Spades have been dealt and OP is screwed because this is a foul deck.

    As is, I like a flat on the flop and turn, raise for whatever you can get on river.

    Results?
  9. Lafaena Lafaena is offline

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    May 3rd, 2008 (5/3/2008 12:18pm) in reply to sotti

    i like raising to 30 here and hope he has a decent spade aces kings queens or a set of jacks,tens.

    and valuebet turn(hoping he will push) and river. Maybe raise i bit less 25 or something, that could look like a lot of different things. A spade 10 or 9 is deff a scarecard, or the jackpot card for u so i wanna get some into the pot while u still can. alot of cards will slow him down on turn if he has op if hes drawing to the full house or flush hes prolly calling smallish raise anyways.?
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    May 4th, 2008 (5/4/2008 3:08pm) in reply to bighaley21

    if there was ever a time to flat call an aggressive player when you are in position this is it imho

    you are basically not worried about other cards, and thisguys raised pf and bet into you.

    minraise and all that might set off his concern about a flush..but this could be a cont bet and he may not have a hand yet..just call hoping he has high pr and/or four flush draw (Aor Kspades). on the turn you can probalby get called with a minraise and by then the pots so big and chances of him calling a river bet (and maybe raising you) are much higher.

    just my thoughts..only wish i had more esperience with this scenario...

    brian
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    May 4th, 2008 (5/4/2008 9:33pm) in reply to bighaley21

    Flat the flop any day of the week, the guy's aggressive betting into you, there are a few cards that could come on the turn that scare him off AA or KK etc but more cards that are green-light cards for him to bet.

    You raise here you're risking scaring away the aggressor and losing a lucrative turn-bet potential.
  12. bighaley21 bighaley21 is offline

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    May 5th, 2008 (5/5/2008 3:20pm) in reply to bighaley21

    Well theres pretty much no way imo that he had AA KK even QQ... He flat called with those hands preflop EVERY time I saw him play them... The guy was also playing SUPER aggressive so I decided to let him fire away because it seemed like he would back off if you showed any resistance to him in the hand... I put him on draw with the A of spade or an ok J... Dont know if I played it right but heres the rest of it...

    bighaley21: calls 10000
    *** TURN *** [Ts 7s Js] [8c]
    Energy99: bets 16000
    bighaley21: calls 16000
    *** RIVER *** [Ts 7s Js 8c] [Kh]
    Energy99: checks
    bighaley21: bets 36000
    Energy99: folds
    bighaley21 collected 68600 from pot
    bighaley21: shows [8s 9s] (a straight flush, Seven to Jack)
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 68600 | Rake 0
    Board [Ts 7s Js 8c Kh]
    Seat 1: Fishlake folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 2: bighaley21 collected (68600)
    Seat 4: fido72 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 5: T_Money_43 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 6: life sign (small blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 7: vuurwerk_16 (big blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 8: Energy99 folded on the River
    Seat 9: Peace 2 Uall folded before Flop (didn't bet)
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