pokerstars Game #59984632274: Tournament #378733011, $8.00+$0.80 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XII (150/300) - 2011/03/28 23:02:29 CT [2011/03/29 0:02:29 ET]
Table '378733011 39' 6-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 2: don_c_1977 (3835 in chips)
Seat 3: Mr.Saxton (6995 in chips)
Seat 4: pokecancer (5950 in chips)
Seat 5: NLnemo (5975 in chips)
Seat 6: benoit71 (530 in chips)
don_c_1977: posts the ante 40
Mr.Saxton: posts the ante 40
pokecancer: posts the ante 40
NLnemo: posts the ante 40
benoit71: posts the ante 40
don_c_1977: posts small blind 150
Mr.Saxton: posts big blind 300
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Mr.Saxton [Tc Ks]
pokecancer: folds
Uncle Fool is connected
NLnemo: raises 500 to 800
benoit71: calls 490 and is all-in
don_c_1977: calls 650
Mr.Saxton: calls 500
*** FLOP *** [Kd As Kc]
don_c_1977: checks
Mr.Saxton: checks
NLnemo: checks
*** TURN *** [Kd As Kc] [9c]
don_c_1977: checks
Mr.Saxton: bets 755
NLnemo: raises 1945 to 2700
don_c_1977: folds
Mr.Saxton: ???????????????

havent been at table to long, but villian hasn't done anything out of hand. should I have bet/fold, bet/call flop? how do you play getting re-raised on turn given the stack sizes?

jst fold or shove pre, really hate flattin here with 20bb an a marginal holding

as played never foldin, ur bet is super small on turn doubt he is folding an ace or semi bluff here

cooler if he has u beat imo

Thanks for responding graps, I have posted the full hand history below now. The check on the flop with the re-raise on the turn really raised a red flag to me. I dont wanna be results oriented here as I now know that I made a good fold BUT, is this still a call 100% of the time. I prolly should have folded pre with the hand OOP, but I kinda felt I was getting decenet odds to see a flop.

pokerstars Game #59984632274: Tournament #378733011, $8.00+$.80 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XII (150/300) - 2011/03/28 23:02:29 CT [2011/03/29 0:02:29 ET]
Table '378733011 39' 6-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 2: don_c_1977 (3835 in chips)
Seat 3: Mr.Saxton (6995 in chips)
Seat 4: pokecancer (5950 in chips)
Seat 5: NLnemo (5975 in chips)
Seat 6: benoit71 (530 in chips)
don_c_1977: posts the ante 40
Mr.Saxton: posts the ante 40
pokecancer: posts the ante 40
NLnemo: posts the ante 40
benoit71: posts the ante 40
don_c_1977: posts small blind 150
Mr.Saxton: posts big blind 300
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Mr.Saxton [Tc Ks]
pokecancer: folds
Uncle Fool is connected
NLnemo: raises 500 to 800
benoit71: calls 490 and is all-in
don_c_1977: calls 650
Mr.Saxton: calls 500
*** FLOP *** [Kd As Kc]
don_c_1977: checks
Mr.Saxton: checks
NLnemo: checks
*** TURN *** [Kd As Kc] [9c]
don_c_1977: checks
Mr.Saxton: bets 755
NLnemo: raises 1945 to 2700
don_c_1977: folds
Mr.Saxton: folds
Uncalled bet (1945) returned to NLnemo
*** RIVER *** [Kd As Kc 9c] [8s]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
NLnemo: shows [Kh Js] (three of a kind, Kings)
NLnemo collected 2440 from side pot
benoit71: shows [Ad 4h] (two pair, Aces and Kings)
NLnemo collected 2160 from main pot
benoit71 finished the tournament in 501st place
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 4600 Main pot 2160. Side pot 2440. | Rake 0
Board [Kd As Kc 9c 8s]
Seat 2: don_c_1977 (small blind) folded on the Turn
Seat 3: Mr.Saxton (big blind) folded on the Turn
Seat 4: pokecancer folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: NLnemo showed [Kh Js] and won (4600) with three of a kind, Kings
Seat 6: benoit71 (button) showed [Ad 4h] and lost with two pair, Aces and King

I would call and call most rivers at this level.

I think you are being results oriented.

If you flat pre-flop (which is fine), hit a flop this hard (and relatively safe) and get action like this, go broke.

at this point he can be making a move with too many draws and\or combination Ax\9x hands or even bluffing the board, I never ever fold this and I'm always raising to charge for the draws should he be on one. I think folding here is weak\tight, I'd like to see more aggression. If he has a hand at all he's calling because of the pot odds, I think your loving your spot here. imo your losing a lot of EV by folding.

 

Originally Posted by dgillis

at this point he can be making a move with too many draws and\or combination Ax\9x hands or even bluffing the board, I never ever fold this and I'm always raising to charge for the draws should he be on one. I think folding here is weak\tight, I'd like to see more aggression. If he has a hand at all he's calling because of the pot odds, I think your loving your spot here. imo your losing a lot of EV by folding.

I don't think his range is wide enough to include draws or random 9s here most of the time, especially given that it's a multi-way pot with a player all in and a mostly dry sidepot (~900 before OP's bet). His range is a lot more polarized here and definitely includes AA, AK, 99, KQ, and KJ, and I think they those hands show up a lot more often than random hands we have beat, especially at this buy-in level.

Aside from that, I don't really like the smooth call pre. You're not deep enough to speculate with such a marginal hand. As played though, I'm still probably pushing on the turn after his raise and calling it a cooler when he has us beat. Definitely not super thrilled to be getting it in here, though.

def. not a fold at those stakes and level......

really appreciate all the feedback. like i mentioned before, i should have laid it down pre...but i didnt. its more of a question of how i play the hand post flop. me making a good fold here is not even the point, i just wanted to know if i should have called off, which i know now that i should have. every once in a while, you just get those sick feelings that your still behind with a valued hand like i had. i dont make laydowns like this very often. fwiw, i ended up going super deep in this tourney busting just short of the FT....thanks again everyone