Is this a fold?

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  1. 4Aces1King1 4Aces1King1 is offline

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    Nov 23rd, 2009 (11/23/2009 2:10pm)

    Opponent hasn't played many hands. Maybe it's a standard fold, but i'm not a good player like most of you on here so info would be appreciated. He probably hit his flush right?

    PokerStars Game #35749302203: Tournament #229110371, $3.00+$0.30 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XI (125/250) - 2009/11/23 14:02:52 ET
    Table '229110371 163' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
    Seat 1: Houcem.BA (12155 in chips)
    Seat 2: femkir (12525 in chips)
    Seat 3: Eindhoven (5200 in chips)
    Seat 4: dmitriyVT (7480 in chips)
    Seat 5: sonssix (6105 in chips)
    Seat 6: Andertaker 9 (17618 in chips)
    Seat 7: Sams1974 (10175 in chips)
    Seat 8: jajaclaudio (12175 in chips)
    Seat 9: 4Aces1King1 (15410 in chips)
    Houcem.BA: posts the ante 30
    femkir: posts the ante 30
    Eindhoven: posts the ante 30
    dmitriyVT: posts the ante 30
    sonssix: posts the ante 30
    Andertaker 9: posts the ante 30
    Sams1974: posts the ante 30
    jajaclaudio: posts the ante 30
    4Aces1King1: posts the ante 30
    jajaclaudio: posts small blind 125
    4Aces1King1: posts big blind 250
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to 4Aces1King1 [Kc Ah]
    Houcem.BA has timed out
    Houcem.BA: folds
    Houcem.BA is sitting out
    femkir: raises 500 to 750
    Eindhoven: folds
    dmitriyVT: folds
    Andertaker 9 said, "what a joke"
    sonssix: folds
    Andertaker 9: folds
    Sams1974: folds
    jajaclaudio: folds
    4Aces1King1: calls 500
    *** FLOP *** [8d 4s As]
    4Aces1King1: checks
    femkir: bets 1000
    4Aces1King1: calls 1000
    *** TURN *** [8d 4s As] [9h]
    4Aces1King1: checks
    femkir: checks
    *** RIVER *** [8d 4s As 9h] [6s]
    4Aces1King1: bets 750
    femkir: raises 5750 to 6500
    4Aces1King1: ????
  2. saukendar saukendar is offline

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    Nov 23rd, 2009 (11/23/2009 2:24pm) in reply to 4Aces1King1

    Ummmmmm - TPTK on this board isn't enough to slow play. On the flop you need check/raise. As played on the flop you need to open the turn for pot or close to it. On the river, given that you bet ~20% to induce a bluff, I think you have to call him down. If you didn't intend to induce a bluff you need to work on your bet sizing.

    my 2 cents
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    flop: check/raise to ~3500
    turn w/pot at a bit less than 9K open shove
  3. tyson219 tyson219 is offline Moderator

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    Nov 23rd, 2009 (11/23/2009 3:24pm) in reply to saukendar

    I can't see calling here as played.

    Either 3bet preflop and lead out on the flop or check/raise the flop and lead out on the turn.
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  4. d1lemma d1lemma is offline

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    Nov 23rd, 2009 (11/23/2009 7:27pm) in reply to 4Aces1King1

    I want to know why you thought leading the river was a good idea, especially given the way you played the hand to that point? From his perspective, what could you possibly be holding that you wouldn't be willing to fold to a raise? After he checks behind the turn, what hands are you getting value from? It's also a pretty good bluff card for him on complete air if you check to him, and obviously it completes the flush draw which is certainly also a possibility. Honestly though I don't think some random is capable of bluff-raising your lead with something weaker than AK so you should probably be folding as played.
  5. WSOP Legend WSOP Legend is offline

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    Nov 24th, 2009 (11/24/2009 3:11am) in reply to 4Aces1King1

    i would re-raise pre first of all. you are out of position with AK, which is an obvious disadvantage and you need to make him pay for that.

    as played, i would check raise the flop for sure. as played, i would lead out on the turn. as played, i would check call the river.
  6. Aarin Aarin is offline

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    Nov 24th, 2009 (11/24/2009 5:33pm) in reply to 4Aces1King1

    I can't tell if you're a passive/scared player, or if you were trying to be tricky.

    3bet (reraise) the Flop, Bet 2/3 (or shove) the turn, and as played, I'd call that river.

    Your line is pretty weak, so that shove doesn't scare me. What you have to keep in mind, is that you let him fill up his flush if he did get there, so that's why poker players always preach aggression, A. for information (does he have a made hand?) or B. to to try and prevent them from drawing out on you when you have a good flop, like this.

    Best wishes.
  7. LARob LARob is offline

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    Nov 27th, 2009 (11/27/2009 12:16pm) in reply to 4Aces1King1

    This hand passively. As a result, I don't think you call on the river.
    However, I definitely think you have to open the flop, or at the very least check-raise. On the turn, I'd say fire again. But yes, to answer your original question, because of the manner in which the hand was played, I'd fold.
  8. Tacosontilt Tacosontilt is offline

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    Nov 28th, 2009 (11/28/2009 7:55am) in reply to 4Aces1King1

    tbh your line is just awful, you should be 3 betting preflop, and if u are flatting you should c/r that flop and i dont know wat kind of lead that is on the river, if u plan on bet folding ok but just check call if you played it that way.
     
  9. Gosselinator Gosselinator is offline

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    Nov 29th, 2009 (11/29/2009 4:10am) in reply to 4Aces1King1

    3bet pre, bet flop to see where you are at. As played fold
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