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fold or dont fold?? 27 left in $11 one rebuy one addon

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  1. Cougars4444 Cougars4444 is offline $58.63 -> $159,533.60

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    Mar 13th, 2007 (3/13/2007 12:11am)

    Fold, call, or shove??
    pokerstars Game #8876141816: Tournament #44846072, $10+$1 Hold'em No Limit - Level XV (2000/4000) - 2007/03/12 - 23:19:04 (ET)
    Table '44846072 1' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
    Seat 1: Bobby217 (157248 in chips)
    Seat 2: REMEMBER-YOU (105083 in chips)
    Seat 3: IamINdebt (97210 in chips)
    Seat 4: Pil4me (32498 in chips)
    Seat 5: MeAll-In (144887 in chips)
    Seat 6: Cougars4444 (182652 in chips)
    Seat 7: chick113 (51360 in chips)
    Seat 8: MADDY4ever (181650 in chips)
    Seat 9: Rogerj04 (156972 in chips)
    Bobby217: posts the ante 200
    REMEMBER-YOU: posts the ante 200
    IamINdebt: posts the ante 200
    Pil4me: posts the ante 200
    MeAll-In: posts the ante 200
    Cougars4444: posts the ante 200
    chick113: posts the ante 200
    MADDY4ever: posts the ante 200
    Rogerj04: posts the ante 200
    IamINdebt: posts small blind 2000
    Pil4me: posts big blind 4000
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to Cougars4444 [Ad Qc]
    MeAll-In: folds
    Cougars4444: raises 8000 to 12000
    chick113: folds
    MADDY4ever: folds
    Rogerj04: calls 12000
    Bobby217: folds
    REMEMBER-YOU: folds
    IamINdebt: folds
    Pil4me: calls 8000
    *** FLOP *** [9s Qs 3s]
    Pil4me: checks
    Cougars4444: bets 12000
    Rogerj04: raises 28000 to 40000
    Pil4me: folds
    Cougars4444: folds
    Rogerj04 collected 63800 from pot
    Rogerj04: shows [Qd Kc] (a pair of Queens)
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 63800 | Rake 0
    Board [9s Qs 3s]
    Seat 1: Bobby217 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 2: REMEMBER-YOU (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 3: IamINdebt (small blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 4: Pil4me (big blind) folded on the Flop
    Seat 5: MeAll-In folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 6: Cougars4444 folded on the Flop
    Seat 7: chick113 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 8: MADDY4ever folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 9: Rogerj04 collected (63800)
     
  2. AFink93 AFink93 is online now

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    Mar 13th, 2007 (3/13/2007 2:06am) in reply to Cougars4444

    Like I told ya I didnt like the size of your bet. I think you either bet more or check behind. But in the end you didnt get hurt too bad being cautious.
  3. Realbigfish4 Realbigfish4 is offline

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    Mar 13th, 2007 (3/13/2007 2:44pm) in reply to Cougars4444

    i think your a fag.... that is all
  4. peeved peeved is offline

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    Mar 13th, 2007 (3/13/2007 7:26pm) in reply to Cougars4444

    That's a tough one after the money bubble when you're looking to move up , and it may be one of those situations where folding is +EV in terms of insurance, but -EV for the real money. Your call may depend on your BR. That said, I put him on a drawing hand (A spades) and call and pray.
  5. sotti sotti is offline

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    Mar 13th, 2007 (3/13/2007 7:52pm) in reply to AFink93

    I agree here.

    You bet 1/3 of the pair with top pair, top kicker with a flush draw and a straight draw on the board.

    Your opopnent looks at this and things you are trying to buy a card for the right price and sticks it to you, then shows his cards because he wanted to let you know he had top pair a good kicker and wasn't gonna let you draw out.

    If you had come out and popped it to 3/4 to full pot sized bet it really would've tested the guy with KQ of course if he comes over the top of that for 80K, well then now you've got a real decision.

    You could also have check called, and see how it played out after that.

    Sticking your whole stack in with top pair top kicker gerneally only gets called by hands that have you beat, So it's hard to recomend that.
  6. Jroman333 Jroman333 is offline

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    Mar 13th, 2007 (3/13/2007 8:00pm) in reply to peeved

    That's an ugly flop.. there's no way ur callin there. your not holding the ACE of spade in ur hand. If in that case u did have that ace of spade you can easily call there
  7. Tsupa Tsupa is offline

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    Mar 13th, 2007 (3/13/2007 9:23pm) in reply to Cougars4444

    with Cougars4444 being involved in that hand, I would insta-fold.
  8. LVpokerdealer LVpokerdealer is offline

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    Mar 14th, 2007 (3/14/2007 8:43am) in reply to Tsupa

    I woulda bet about 22k in the 30k pot sir, but wtf do I know....I lost 3 racks in a 2/4mix.
  9. jerichoholic jerichoholic is offline

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    Mar 14th, 2007 (3/14/2007 10:16am) in reply to Cougars4444

    It's very hard to analyze this hand in hindsight, but what I see here is the small flop bet basically told your opp. that you hit a drawing hand and want to test the waters to see where you stand. Villan saw it that way and probably thought he was good on that flop and wanted to take it down right there so you don't get your spade.

    If he flopped the flush, he is either flat calling you are reraising much bigger(if he hit a low flush).

    I can't say I would have made the move and pushed on him, but I think if I really thought it through I could have easily made that play.
  10. Cortz Cortz is offline

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    Mar 14th, 2007 (3/14/2007 10:18am) in reply to Cougars4444

    i must be a complete donk cuz i think i would have shoved had him on a pair + a 1 spade.
  11. Nickc011 Nickc011 is offline The Law

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    Mar 14th, 2007 (3/14/2007 11:09am) in reply to Cougars4444

    I dont see how you can fold this hand... You made it 3x preflop, with a big stack. What is his range of hands for calling that? There is no way he has 2 pair, and i feel like if he had a small flush he would have re-raised bigger, as others have said. I think if he has a set, he has to lead that flop because he cant afford to give a free card to allow someone to hit a 4 flush. So really, the most logical hands that i think taht he could have are TJ, or a high spade(turns out he had neither! but thats what id put him on). If he already has a large flush, then it was an extreme cooler and you're going to lose some chips, but you have him covered, and even if you double him up, you still have ~30K and can pick up some blinds.

    Hes expecting you to make a continuation bet here, no matter what your cards are so i dont see how you can laydown to this raise.

    I think i would have shoved, but it took me a while to come to that conclusion. I can understand where you didnt want to take a risk here.
     
  12. Wein Wein is offline Sunday Millionaire

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    Mar 14th, 2007 (3/14/2007 5:34pm) in reply to Nickc011

    i told you to shove, you folded.

    I hate you for that.
     
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