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Fold or Easy Call?

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  1. Pist0nH0nda Pist0nH0nda is offline

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    Aug 7th, 2010 (8/7/2010 4:06am)

    Full Tilt Poker Game #22890657163: Friday Night Fight (172534488), Table 4 - 80/160 - No Limit Hold'em - 23:01:07 ET - 2010/08/06
    Seat 1: dwnbytheriver (2,475)
    Seat 2: yonnyd (9,505)
    Seat 3: cane3418 (8,620)
    Seat 4: SCNoodle (9,035)
    Seat 5: orangeman88 (12,625)
    Seat 6: BOBCATSPEGAL (6,475)
    BOBCATSPEGAL posts the small blind of 80
    dwnbytheriver posts the big blind of 160
    The button is in seat #5
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to orangeman88 [Kd As]
    yonnyd raises to 320
    cane3418 calls 320
    SCNoodle folds
    orangeman88 calls 320
    BOBCATSPEGAL has 15 seconds left to act
    BOBCATSPEGAL calls 240
    dwnbytheriver has 15 seconds left to act
    dwnbytheriver raises to 2,475, and is all in
    yonnyd has 15 seconds left to act
    yonnyd raises to 8,385
    cane3418 folds
    orangeman88 ???

    With no antes yet, does that make this more likely a fold?
     
  2. super plaaayer super plaaayer is offline

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    Aug 7th, 2010 (8/7/2010 4:28am) in reply to Pist0nH0nda

    raise pre, doubt i fold there
     
  3. jason9654 jason9654 is offline

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    Aug 8th, 2010 (8/8/2010 5:55am) in reply to super plaaayer

    fold. with your stack no need to get involved, but agree with raising pre
     
  4. RUBINH RUBINH is offline

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    Aug 8th, 2010 (8/8/2010 6:06am) in reply to Pist0nH0nda

    easy call.. yonny should be shipping in his entire opening range here
  5. R_Webb18 R_Webb18 is offline

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    Aug 8th, 2010 (8/8/2010 6:10am) in reply to RUBINH

    i call
     
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    Aug 8th, 2010 (8/8/2010 6:35am) in reply to R_Webb18

    If you folded, I'd stop playing poker. Forever.
  7. m_hawk_1 m_hawk_1 is offline

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    Aug 8th, 2010 (8/8/2010 7:00am) in reply to jcpeace

    I can't see antes making any difference to this particular pot. I think you should have raised pre to 1100 or something and would have made your life a lot easier. As played, I don't think this is nearly as great a call as ppl are making out here. yonny will be fairly wide given the action, but there's such a good chance that we are sharing outs with one of the two all-ins. Sharing outs with the shortstack here would be a disaster. I think without any other info, AQ is in yonny's range and you have to call, but you should probably be mad at yourself for getting into this situation in the first place.
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  8. Pist0nH0nda Pist0nH0nda is offline

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    Aug 8th, 2010 (8/8/2010 8:33am) in reply to Pist0nH0nda

    i didn't raise pre because yonny hadn't been playing any pots to that point, he was being ultra tight and I didn't see a reason to try and win 5.5 bb's while risking a whole lot more. With antes, this is an obvious raise call, but without, I just don't think too many people are splashing around to light here.
     
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    Aug 8th, 2010 (8/8/2010 8:35am) in reply to Pist0nH0nda

    i fold.

    easily
     
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    Aug 8th, 2010 (8/8/2010 8:41am) in reply to Pist0nH0nda

     
    Originally Posted by Pist0nH0nda View Post

    i didn't raise pre because yonny hadn't been playing any pots to that point, he was being ultra tight and I didn't see a reason to try and win 5.5 bb's while risking a whole lot more. With antes, this is an obvious raise call, but without, I just don't think too many people are splashing around to light here.

    Multiway pot with AK? ewww. That's asking for trubba. I don't think I could fold there but if I was playing with a bunch of ballers in a ballerment, then maybe I would reconsider...
  11. hushpuckena hushpuckena is offline

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    Aug 8th, 2010 (8/8/2010 9:24am) in reply to jcpeace

    In a multi-way pot, OOP, with deep stacks, AKo is just another drawing hand. Had only the shortest stack shoved, you could call, but with your profile of the player who four-bet/shoved, you have no business in that pot. Against his likely range, you're taking too much the worst of it. Much better also to three-bet instead of flat.
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    Aug 8th, 2010 (8/8/2010 3:09pm) in reply to hushpuckena

    nice trap. call plz
     
  13. CLHplusMMM CLHplusMMM is offline

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    Aug 8th, 2010 (8/8/2010 6:52pm) in reply to LiquidSw0rd

    I think this is really read dependent but if your perception of yonny is he's ultra tight then folding is fine. I'd assume his range would be JJ+/AK, but with all the dead money in there and the short stack shoving I think he could widen his range a bit to get HU with the short stack and all the other perceived dead money. Tricky spot and cases can be made for calling or folding; I'm guessing he showed up way lighter than you expected and you're kicking yourself for not calling, OR you just posted this because he flipped AA and your fold was correct :) either way cool hand to discuss, results?
     
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    Aug 8th, 2010 (8/8/2010 10:58pm) in reply to CLHplusMMM

     
    Originally Posted by CLHplusMMM View Post

    I think this is really read dependent but if your perception of yonny is he's ultra tight then folding is fine. I'd assume his range would be JJ+/AK, but with all the dead money in there and the short stack shoving I think he could widen his range a bit to get HU with the short stack and all the other perceived dead money. Tricky spot and cases can be made for calling or folding; I'm guessing he showed up way lighter than you expected and you're kicking yourself for not calling, OR you just posted this because he flipped AA and your fold was correct :) either way cool hand to discuss, results?

    I folded, and both flipped up KQ
     
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