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Fold KJs with 6ish BBs?

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  1. n2kfactor n2kfactor is offline

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    Jun 12th, 2009 (6/12/2009 11:31am)

    Stage #1711470363 Tourney ID 4394237 Holdem Multi Normal Tournament No Limit 600 - 2009-06-12 11:27:45 (ET)
    Table: 25 (Real Money) Seat #5 is the dealer
    Seat 1 - KAREN1814 (17,323 in chips)
    Seat 2 - ABOVAVRGJOE1 (17,955 in chips)
    Seat 3 - N2KFACTOR (4,815 in chips)
    Seat 4 - CHILIFART (25,863 in chips)
    Seat 5 - LINDADOOLEY (39,779 in chips)
    Seat 6 - BOWHEAD1 (21,351 in chips)
    Seat 7 - DACTOR (11,329 in chips)
    Seat 8 - RIVERMAN0007 (25,570 in chips)
    Seat 9 - SERINIDAD (20,398 in chips)
    KAREN1814 - Ante 75
    ABOVAVRGJOE1 - Ante 75
    N2KFACTOR - Ante 75
    CHILIFART - Ante 75
    LINDADOOLEY - Ante 75
    BOWHEAD1 - Ante 75
    DACTOR - Ante 75
    RIVERMAN0007 - Ante 75
    SERINIDAD - Ante 75
    BOWHEAD1 - Posts small blind 300
    DACTOR - Posts big blind 600
    *** POCKET CARDS ***
    Dealt to N2KFACTOR [Jd Kd]
    RIVERMAN0007 - Folds
    SERINIDAD - Folds
    KAREN1814 - Raises 1,200 to 1,200
    ABOVAVRGJOE1 - Folds
    N2KFACTOR - ????????
  2. DutchCourage DutchCourage is offline

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    Jun 12th, 2009 (6/12/2009 1:05pm) in reply to n2kfactor

    You can shove, but initial raiser will almost certainly call as he is getting 2-1 on his money. Unless he has Kx (with x below J) he's getting the right price. With a little more bad luck you have someone after you waking up with a good hand, although it would have to be pretty big (JJ+) for them to shove given the initial raise and raiser's stack. Any reads on the raiser??
  3. n2kfactor n2kfactor is offline

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    Jun 12th, 2009 (6/12/2009 1:54pm) in reply to DutchCourage

    no reads

    do most people take their chances here? cuz he can have lower pps or something too here..
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  4. DutchCourage DutchCourage is offline

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    Jun 12th, 2009 (6/12/2009 2:00pm) in reply to n2kfactor

    I think you would be lucky to be against a PP. You need the chips so I would gladly take that 50/50 in your position. You better hope you're not up vs. KQ or AJ or something...
  5. Tamarick Tamarick is offline

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    Jun 13th, 2009 (6/13/2009 8:56am) in reply to DutchCourage

    I think you are probably beat, but if you want any chance to win this tournament, you kinda have to get it in here and hope you have 2 live.
  6. structure structure is offline

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    Jun 13th, 2009 (6/13/2009 12:56pm) in reply to Tamarick

    always better to shove than to call a shove.
     
  7. thunderchild thunderchild is offline

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    Jun 16th, 2009 (6/16/2009 9:18pm) in reply to n2kfactor

    Its allways better to be the raiser and not the caller but sometimes you have to get it in bad and get lucky.I don't think you can wait any longer.
  8. Donnie2005.2 Donnie2005.2 is offline

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    Jun 17th, 2009 (6/17/2009 12:22am) in reply to thunderchild

    I dont like it, but I gotta shove this spot- hope he's got a PP but with 6 bbs I cant see justifying waiting for a better hand

    With 13 left in midnight madness last week had 6 bbs had to shove KTo UTG+1 and got it in vs AA vs JJ

    Thanks for dream flops baby lol
     
  9. hushpuckena hushpuckena is offline

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    Jun 17th, 2009 (6/17/2009 1:45am) in reply to n2kfactor

    If this had been passed round to me, I'd push in a second, but not being able to open this pot, with my low M, is giving away too much, with no real FE. I'll swim against the tide and dump this.
  10. woertink woertink is offline

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    Jun 19th, 2009 (6/19/2009 3:22pm) in reply to hushpuckena

    when i get 7ish bb's ill reshove with no fold equity with alot of hands.
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    Jun 19th, 2009 (6/19/2009 4:13pm) in reply to n2kfactor

     
    Originally Posted by n2kfactor View Post

    Stage #1711470363 Tourney ID 4394237 Holdem Multi Normal Tournament No Limit 600 - 2009-06-12 11:27:45 (ET)
    Table: 25 (Real Money) Seat #5 is the dealer
    Seat 1 - KAREN1814 (17,323 in chips)
    Seat 2 - ABOVAVRGJOE1 (17,955 in chips)
    Seat 3 - N2KFACTOR (4,815 in chips)
    Seat 4 - CHILIFART (25,863 in chips)
    Seat 5 - LINDADOOLEY (39,779 in chips)
    Seat 6 - BOWHEAD1 (21,351 in chips)
    Seat 7 - DACTOR (11,329 in chips)
    Seat 8 - RIVERMAN0007 (25,570 in chips)
    Seat 9 - SERINIDAD (20,398 in chips)
    KAREN1814 - Ante 75
    ABOVAVRGJOE1 - Ante 75
    N2KFACTOR - Ante 75
    CHILIFART - Ante 75
    LINDADOOLEY - Ante 75
    BOWHEAD1 - Ante 75
    DACTOR - Ante 75
    RIVERMAN0007 - Ante 75
    SERINIDAD - Ante 75
    BOWHEAD1 - Posts small blind 300
    DACTOR - Posts big blind 600
    *** POCKET CARDS ***
    Dealt to N2KFACTOR [Jd Kd]
    RIVERMAN0007 - Folds
    SERINIDAD - Folds
    KAREN1814 - Raises 1,200 to 1,200
    ABOVAVRGJOE1 - Folds
    N2KFACTOR - ????????

    am i the only one who noticed this....?
  12. hushpuckena hushpuckena is offline

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    Jun 19th, 2009 (6/19/2009 4:34pm) in reply to KidDelicious

     
    Originally Posted by KidDelicious View Post

     
    Originally Posted by n2kfactor View Post

    Stage #1711470363 Tourney ID 4394237 Holdem Multi Normal Tournament No Limit 600 - 2009-06-12 11:27:45 (ET)
    Table: 25 (Real Money) Seat #5 is the dealer
    Seat 1 - KAREN1814 (17,323 in chips)
    Seat 2 - ABOVAVRGJOE1 (17,955 in chips)
    Seat 3 - N2KFACTOR (4,815 in chips)
    Seat 4 - CHILIFART (25,863 in chips)
    Seat 5 - LINDADOOLEY (39,779 in chips)
    Seat 6 - BOWHEAD1 (21,351 in chips)
    Seat 7 - DACTOR (11,329 in chips)
    Seat 8 - RIVERMAN0007 (25,570 in chips)
    Seat 9 - SERINIDAD (20,398 in chips)
    KAREN1814 - Ante 75
    ABOVAVRGJOE1 - Ante 75
    N2KFACTOR - Ante 75
    CHILIFART - Ante 75
    LINDADOOLEY - Ante 75
    BOWHEAD1 - Ante 75
    DACTOR - Ante 75
    RIVERMAN0007 - Ante 75
    SERINIDAD - Ante 75
    BOWHEAD1 - Posts small blind 300
    DACTOR - Posts big blind 600
    *** POCKET CARDS ***
    Dealt to N2KFACTOR [Jd Kd]
    RIVERMAN0007 - Folds
    SERINIDAD - Folds
    KAREN1814 - Raises 1,200 to 1,200
    ABOVAVRGJOE1 - Folds
    N2KFACTOR - ????????

    am i the only one who noticed this....?

    Hardly; this is why I believe a fold is correct after this pot is opened, as I stated. If the opener has anything for her raise, as others have noted, you're getting called, so you need something better than KJ.
  13. Sonic Tilt Sonic Tilt is offline

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    Jun 20th, 2009 (6/20/2009 6:36pm) in reply to n2kfactor

    I'd rather be first in to raise a tight players blind with a random hand and hope he folds than to call or re-raise in a spot where it's an insta-call because of pot odds. Like if you raise Dactors blind, he'd be more apt to fold because a call represents a large chunk of his stack. I'd rather do that with a random hand than gamble.

    That said, either way re-raising or folding are both not really mistakes since you're so short and you have to gamble before the blinds come around. But this is a personal preference spot and either one can be argued to be correct. Calling is the only stupid option. Raise or fold. Some people min raise with 67s, K3s, Ace Rag and sometimes but a little rarer a pp but if you don't have a read on the player you have to assume you're in a spot where it's 40/60 or 60/40. Your KJ is suited which means if he has an Ace rag, you'll be 45% to win which is better. Honestly, the fact that it's suited I might be more apt to gamble. People don't do the min raise Aces/Kings much anymore so I think I might give it a shot after all. even if you're lucky enough to be 2:1 against two low cards you still have to gamble sometime and this is as good a time as any. That's about it.
  14. DutchCourage DutchCourage is offline

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    Jun 22nd, 2009 (6/22/2009 4:08am) in reply to Sonic Tilt

     
    Originally Posted by Sonic Tilt View Post

    People don't do the min raise Aces/Kings much anymore

    Tell that to the hordes of AK limpers i encountered over the weekend...
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