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View Poll Results: What is your action preflop?

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  • Call

    69
    44.52%

  • Fold

    86
    55.48%

Fold pocket kings pre?

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  1. jeppg1111 jeppg1111 is offline Disabled account

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    Jun 7th, 2010 (6/7/2010 9:29pm) in reply to The Lab Rat

     
    Originally Posted by The Lab Rat View Post

    I just said to myself that Dcoop is always folding aks here and I think there's a very good chance that he folds queens too so his range is probably KK+. I folded and the HJ and Dcoop both had aces and a king didnt come. Just thought it was a pretty clear fold

    ya sometimes when ur playing too, with match flow, its a easier and quicker fold, u get that instant feeling. Ive folded KK pre 3 times, only 2 i know they had AA, other dunno. Good read, good fold.
     
  2. supra1988t supra1988t is online now

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    Jun 7th, 2010 (6/7/2010 10:27pm) in reply to jeppg1111

    This is like the only non-satty spot I've seen where KK is a fold.
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  3. SpankyHamm SpankyHamm is online now

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    Jun 7th, 2010 (6/7/2010 11:00pm) in reply to supra1988t

    Can we finally admit as a community that "Yes, there are times when you can fold KK pre-flop in non-satellite tournaments." And this is regardless of players or buy-in.

    I mean, I can't. I think I've typed in "You have AA but I'm not good enough to fold my KK" maybe 6 times in the past few months, and every time they had AA.
     
  4. JasonBDizzle JasonBDizzle is offline account restricted by moderator -- must reply in this thread before posting anywhere else on the boards

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    Jun 7th, 2010 (6/7/2010 11:08pm) in reply to SpankyHamm

    when it comes to early stages like this im always on the tighter side. knowing he is a reg and on the tighter side i dont ever see myself calling here (in this particular circumstance). If the variables were different i would be more likely to get it in
  5. Pghfan987 Pghfan987 is offline

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    Jun 7th, 2010 (6/7/2010 11:26pm) in reply to JasonBDizzle

    Villain never has AK or JJ, he probably usually folds QQ, so against a 1 combo of QQ and KK+ this is a fold.
    660 1
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    Jun 7th, 2010 (6/7/2010 11:36pm) in reply to Pghfan987

    Nice fold. Perfect scenario to help bring a little light to some KK situations.
     
  7. poisoneye1986 poisoneye1986 is offline

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    Jun 7th, 2010 (6/7/2010 11:41pm) in reply to hushpuckena

    if dcoop knows that the lab rat only gets it in with KK+ or AA couldnt he profitably go allin with QQ+ AK if he reads the for bet to be like JJ+ AK?
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    Jun 7th, 2010 (6/7/2010 11:50pm) in reply to poisoneye1986

    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to The Lag rat [Kc Kh]
    ADZ124: folds
    filfedra: folds
    rounder13: raises 30 to 50
    The Lag rat: raises 100 to 150
    68ioweyou1: raises 270 to 420
    Jarfish: folds
    fingaz: folds
    1 EUR: folds
    dcoop4506: raises 2580 to 3000 and is all-in
    rounder13: folds
    The Lag rat?????[/QUOTE]


     
    Originally Posted by poisoneye1986 View Post

    if dcoop knows that the lab rat only gets it in with KK+ or AA couldnt he profitably go allin with QQ+ AK if he reads the for bet to be like JJ+ AK?


    maybe, except the 3rd raise was from 68owe... that's the guy I'd worry about the read on if I were dcoop
     
  9. warden warden is online now

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    Jun 7th, 2010 (6/7/2010 11:54pm) in reply to SpankyHamm

     
    Originally Posted by SpankyHamm View Post

    And this is regardless of players or buy-in.

    we definitely can't make that leap
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    Jun 7th, 2010 (6/7/2010 11:59pm) in reply to SpankyHamm

     
    Originally Posted by SpankyHamm View Post

    Can we finally admit as a community that "Yes, there are times when you can fold KK pre-flop in non-satellite tournaments."

    Yup

     
    Originally Posted by SpankyHamm View Post

    And this is regardless of players or buy-in.

    lololol no
    Edited By: threeven Jun 8th, 2010 at 12:00 AM
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  11. Slingtownorbust Slingtownorbust is offline

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    Jun 8th, 2010 (6/8/2010 12:19am) in reply to threeven

    the only way i see it logically is that even though there are times you know the other player has AA (or very well does), folding KK opens you up to being exploited big time, even moreso the higher stakes you play i'd imagine as this hand was played at
  12. HanoverFyst HanoverFyst is offline

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    Jun 8th, 2010 (6/8/2010 12:35am) in reply to hushpuckena

    I forget who said it, but "The fourth raise is always aces."
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    Jun 8th, 2010 (6/8/2010 12:45am) in reply to hushpuckena

    dec brag?
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  14. EyeKnows EyeKnows is offline

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    Jun 8th, 2010 (6/8/2010 1:51am) in reply to siola

    the search for a reason to fold KK is over for so many, they can point to this thread now...

    and there is much rejoicing.
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    Jun 8th, 2010 (6/8/2010 3:02am) in reply to EyeKnows

    theres no way you can call this barring spazout/tilt reads.
     
  16. SICKTIGHT311 SICKTIGHT311 is offline

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    Jun 8th, 2010 (6/8/2010 3:04am) in reply to dude904

    What about this hand guys? I don't wanna hijack a thread or anything but when this hand happened a few days ago, the thought of folding KK actually entered my mind. I play mostly tournaments but when I do play cash, I don't really see people 4-betting 40% of their stack light so I had to think about it for a second. Then I realized it wasn't an MTT and stuck it in.

    BTW, I flatted to get the squeeze but didn't expect it to go down quite like this.

    pokerstars Game #44990596865: Hold'em No Limit ($0.25/$0.50 USD) - 2010/06/02 20:20:24 PT [2010/06/02 23:20:24 ET]
    Table 'Dejan V' 6-max Seat #2 is the button
    Seat 1: foscocity ($50 in chips)
    Seat 2: dingshi ($60.55 in chips)
    Seat 3: 88_berkut ($52.50 in chips)
    Seat 4: Amegara ($52.10 in chips)
    Seat 5: FoolsPlay ($51.60 in chips)
    Seat 6: SICKTIGHT311 ($50 in chips)
    88_berkut: posts small blind $0.25
    Amegara: posts big blind $0.50
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to SICKTIGHT311 [Kh Ks]
    FoolsPlay: raises $1.50 to $2
    SICKTIGHT311: calls $2
    foscocity: raises $5 to $7
    dingshi: folds
    88_berkut: folds
    Amegara: folds
    FoolsPlay: raises $14 to $21
    SICKTIGHT311: raises $29 to $50 and is all-in
    Edited By: SICKTIGHT311 Jun 8th, 2010 at 03:05 AM
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    Jun 8th, 2010 (6/8/2010 3:08am) in reply to SICKTIGHT311

    wp sicktight (not sarcasm)
     
  18. byoonz byoonz is offline

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    Jun 8th, 2010 (6/8/2010 3:48am) in reply to Deoxyribo

    sicktight, your hand is EXTREMELY different than TLR's hand on numerous levels. don't fold.
     
  19. SICKTIGHT311 SICKTIGHT311 is offline

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    Jun 8th, 2010 (6/8/2010 3:55am) in reply to byoonz

     
    Originally Posted by byoonz View Post

    sicktight, your hand is EXTREMELY different than TLR's hand on numerous levels. don't fold.

    I know, I didn't. Thanks for pointing that out.
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    Jun 8th, 2010 (6/8/2010 3:57am) in reply to byoonz

    EH who cares if they both have aces. They have each others outs and u have 2 outs to scoop in a huge pot! ;)
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    Jun 8th, 2010 (6/8/2010 4:13am) in reply to islanderalum

    tripling up on the 2nd hand would be nice, but not huge.
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    Jun 8th, 2010 (6/8/2010 5:58am) in reply to OMAHA_BURKE

    [QUOTE=OMAHA_BURKE;5541118]

    Your account has to be a level
     
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    Jun 8th, 2010 (6/8/2010 6:22am) in reply to mdshack14

    youre supposed to fold... but you call anyway because its KK

    bink the K for the huge pot.
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    Jun 8th, 2010 (6/8/2010 12:29pm) in reply to hushpuckena

    foldddddd, dcoops range alone is KK/AA (without factoring in potential retardness due to late sunday frustration (sum1 said he was deep in some other major so this is irrelevant) ) and then u have the 4bettr to consider, actually an easy fold and i used parentheses inside of parentheses!
    Edited By: darkcheck_ Jun 8th, 2010 at 12:33 PM
     
  25. BigWorm BigWorm is offline

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    Jun 8th, 2010 (6/8/2010 7:08pm) in reply to hushpuckena

    I folded KK last night I was prolly ahead but it was the bouble and couldnt risk all my chips
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    Jun 8th, 2010 (6/8/2010 9:05pm) in reply to BigWorm

    i do fold ak here, qq i have to timebank fold, kk i shove. pretty gross but almsot have to fold this early in the mtt. i wouldnt say im extremly tight, but cold 5bets are gonna be tight, real tight
     
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    Jun 9th, 2010 (6/9/2010 3:44am) in reply to dcoop45

    Sigh fold. And not because I "sense" AA is "out there" (fml too many lame phrases in this thread), it's just not worth giving up your edge on the field in a marginal spot, especially since Lab Rat is a pretty decent reg. Still hate your life folding mind.
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    Jun 9th, 2010 (6/9/2010 8:00am) in reply to The Grouch

    just grow up already lagrat.
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    Jun 9th, 2010 (6/9/2010 4:41pm) in reply to threeven

     
    Originally Posted by threeven View Post

    Yup



    lololol no

    Tough fold, but a correct fold.
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    Jun 9th, 2010 (6/9/2010 5:29pm) in reply to Colonel

    At this level, and with these players, its a unanimous fold.
    Not often though, at the buy ins, that most of us wannabes play at.
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