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Ok, this is from a $15+1 tourny on pokerstars. Theres 90 players left. The blinds are 300/600. I'm 2 spots left of the big blind. I have 5,800 chips left. I push All in with KQ off. Do you think this was a good or bad push. The table was full. Also, I wanna note that the average chip stack was 9,000 and the top 63 places got paid.
When I look back on it now, I realize I may have made a mistake by pushing in early position. At that moment though, I pushed because my M was getting low and I thought I had a decent hand. Any advice? -
Tough spot. You would rather have later position. That being said, you have a decent hand here. It isn't great, and if your called, your probably behind. But, you can get it folded to you.
Also, as you said, your M is shrinking. If you don't play this, your likely folding to the blind. You can easily see another 900 chips shaved off your stack. Then, your going to have to push something. So, this definitely isn't a bad choice.
With your chips it's a push/fold situation. Definitely can't call here. -
I think you have just enough chips to make this a two-tiered play. Raise to 2000. If someone comes over you you still have to call, and they'll likely do so with 77+, ATs+, a range that you're fairly even to only a little behind, and certainly getting proper odds with any dead money that may be in the pot. Or if the reraiser is a total solid marble rock, then you'd still have the option of dropping if you're quite certain you're a big dog against his RR range. With the blinds at this level most people who would fold to your all-in will also fold to 2000, and now you have 3800 behind to stab at the flop, thus giving yourself yet another way to win. Also, if the flop is completely unfavorable and the caller is from the blinds and leads into you then you can get away and have chips to play.
Good luck! -
iwould fold and rather shove a hand like89 or 78 in position after ur BB if ur 1st to the pot
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I have both folded and pushed in this situation with just under 10 BB's. Really depends on table dynamics and remaining players. When you are called, you are typically in bad shape. I have been folding this type of hand in this situation lately and looking for something a little more favorable in the next orbit or 2 prior to next blind increase. There is a good article on here written by The Shrike titled The Endgame which I like. Good luck.
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There is more to the M factor than just moving in becuase your M's are low.You have to follow certian guidelines,that also aply to your style as well. Let's take a look at the way i have been approaching tourneys according to M. The first thing you should do i realize that even though you are following the guidelines for M: you also have to use common sense and adapt to your playiing style early. In the early stagea your M is extremely high,and this would leave you to believe that you can play any and every style openly.
This is true but if you are going to play speculative hands like AJos and JTos for example.You must play these hands in position and in position only,early with high M in the green zone 20+ times the pot are better. What the green zone allows me to do is #1 allow me to wait on premium hands; At the same time it allows me to play weak suited cards and speculative hands in position. If i catch pocket AA KK QQ JJ ect,that is fine and if not so be it; The greem zone is like the first quarter in a football game. I can throw long passes are i can run the ball for small gains at a time.
The key for me during this time is to hopefully stay in the green as long as possible.And this can be done by winning small pots,and minimizing my risk early on. One thing that you will have to deal with on a few occasions is pushing your big hands;And being faced with all-in situations. You cannot let these situations pass you by,and you will be put in situations where you will have to decide,If your going to fold QQ to a re-raise are push back all-in. This example also goes for holdings such a AA or KK;Usually you will be the favorite.You will have to use your own assumptions here.
Personally i am pushing back hard with AA/KK/QQ and i am willing to except the outcome good are bad. My goal is usually to double are tripple up by the first break:Basicly the longer i stay in the green the longer i have to play short yardage until i get a premium hand. But also be aware that if you are going to see a flop with your big hands in the green zone.Learn to let your hand go if you feel that you are beat.
Staying in the green for as long as possible is key,bascally it buys you time to play tight and agressive.Personally my game is not advanced enuff to play a LAG style from begin to end and i can admit that. I am by no means a BeloWaBoVe or a Bodog Ari,I am learning just as you are.But i also feel that i do have some advice to offer from my own personal experience. I am not a winning player just yet but soon i will be;And this is somthing that i know to come to pass.
One more thing that i almost forgot is how i play drawing hands in the green zone as well as the yellow zone. In the green zone i will call bets for gut-shot draws,as long as i am getting 6-1 odds for my money.One thing never to forget is that if you are drawing in the green;always take the free card if it is there.If not you want 6-1 on gut shots and 1-3 odds on your open enders.This also applies to your 4 flush draws also;I see alot of player risking thier entire stack on 4 flush draws and open enders early.It's not worth it and i will not do it becuase they don't always come along.And when they don't you will be a rail bird wishing you would have just let the hand go.
When i reach the Yellow Zone 10-20+ the pot, I will not draw to a gut shot draw period. As far as i am concenred it's not worth it unless i already have somthing going on with the flop. I will however continue to draw to open ended draws;My M has dropped and so has my ability to spend that extra money for a 4 outer.Basically the Lower your M the more outs you want to have to a particular draw. Also remember to make you calls with speculative hands according to your pot odds.This applies to the green and yellow zones where stuations apply;And also remeber to use common sense in all your decisions.
In the yellow zone i tend to be more aggresive,making more calls and raises with my big cards. During this time i pay close attention to the cards that are being shown down on the river. Basically this gives you an idea of the sort of hans that you will hopefully be up against.You must pay attention the the M's of your opponants as well as your own also.Even though peeps at your table may are may not be hip to the zone stratergy are not.They still tend to get desperate when thier stocks are 10BB's or less. You have to adapt to the table and the stack sizes at all times.
Anyone short stacked is a potential all-in risk;And they are also a target for showing down a weak hand when you have a good hand. You really want to play stick and move in the yellow zone. For me this stage goes from football to a boxing match.I do alot of jabbing and betting at flops with myself and two other callers. 1 in three times they will fold to your bet and you break even.More than that and you show a phofit and also add to your stack;Slowly working your way back to the green.And hopefully during the course of battle you will catch a premier hand like KK ect.
The yellow Zone is just another way to minimize your loses and maximize your big hands. It's designed to keep you out of trouble;You will also be less prone to taking a bad beat as well. One thing you should never forget is the texture of the flop;Take it from me respect it please.It's just like Murphy's Law if it can it will happend;IF IT LOOKS LIKE A DONKEY AND HEHAWS LIKE A DONKEY IT'S NOT A HORSE!!!!! IT'S A DONKEY!!!! Just let it go and wait for round two. Also aviod small pairs and small suited connector in the yellow;If you want to play them do it in position like on the button. And make sure it is worth the price of admission and that your not the only one watching the show.
Hope this helps a bit!!!!!
Willmccoy aka /FullTilt
SR8tAcEto5/ pokerstars
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Thanx for your advice. All of what you said makes sense, and its something I shouldve done. I couldve waited for a better position to push in. I'll take this as a learning experience and hopefully that will help me cash in my next tourny.
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Pushing from EP with KQ is a recipe for disaster. Any A is leading, as is any PP. Fold pre-flop.
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