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friend of mine grinds thru field of 130 (live)
40 minute levels; 200$ buy in.
payout: 1st=$6,484 2nd=$3,791 3rd=$2,993 (i'll just list top 3 payouts, since he was, without a doubt playing to win, and squeaking into the money, low on chips, was out of the question.
all that said, here was the HH:
-18 left, have just combined into 2 tables
-limited history w/ villain, tho he said that he hadn't seen him get out of line. his image has been tight, solid, tho as i said, their history is limited.
-friend has ~55,000 in chips, with villain sitting on ~73,000
-blinds: 2,000/4,000 w/ a 500ante. it is folded to friend w/ QQ in the CO, who raises to 10,000 and gets flatted by vilain in BB.
-flop: Jx 4s 2s
-villain shoves....
-???
-he is a winning cash player and asked my advice on this hand. I told him that this was an ICM spot, which he was somewhat unfamiliar with, and I must admit, I don't know enough about ICM slash don't have the tools to give him a definative answer. I said it's probably a fold.
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Joined: Dec 08May 11th, 2010 (5/11/2010 6:29pm) in reply to ScAlpZ
I wouldn't call myself an outstanding tournament player like some of the guys on here but this spot seems pretty standard. Unless he is flat calling with AA KK with the intention of jamming any flop, your in a good spot.
If he is putting you on a big hand and wants to get paid with a flopped set I don't think he is jamming this flop.
Call and high five when he shows up with KJs -
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Joined: Sep 08May 11th, 2010 (5/11/2010 6:34pm) in reply to HeHateThee
damn, really? i mean i'd like to say that i wouldn't snap call here (I would 12 times out of 10) but I thought, upon further examination, it may be a spot to just lay it down, being as we're so close to the money.
I did forget to mention, he was ~ 7th/18 in chips. -
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Joined: May 07May 11th, 2010 (5/11/2010 6:40pm) in reply to ScAlpZ
nothing about this hand says fold.
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Joined: Dec 08May 11th, 2010 (5/11/2010 6:41pm) in reply to ScAlpZ
If you flopped a set would you jam that flop???? No.
The only hands beating you are AA KK. Doubt he will smooth call your raise in that spot..... You are betting 1/5th of your stack.. If I am in villain's position I am almost certainly re-raising with AA/KK looking for a weaker pair. -
he's a winning cash player?
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Joined: Feb 07May 11th, 2010 (5/11/2010 6:43pm) in reply to nickj7777
Def not playing for top 3 if this is being posted.
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Joined: Sep 08May 11th, 2010 (5/11/2010 6:47pm) in reply to supra1988t
seriously. and good contribution.
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Joined: Sep 08May 11th, 2010 (5/11/2010 6:49pm) in reply to elusively
40 min levels tho?Originally Posted by elusively
Def not playing for top 3 if this is being posted.
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Joined: Jul 06May 11th, 2010 (5/11/2010 6:56pm) in reply to ScAlpZ
Doesn't matter if they're 2 hour levels. A beautiful chance to double up is what it is. If the guy has your friend's QQ beat well that's how it goes, but as played your friend has to be way ahead of the villain's range here. Definite must call.Originally Posted by ScAlpZ
40 min levels tho?
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Joined: Sep 08May 11th, 2010 (5/11/2010 7:47pm) in reply to ScAlpZ
hmmm... okay. welp. he'll be glad to here all this. told him i'd run it up the flag pole and see who saluted.
he snapped and couldn't counterfeit the dudes J4o.
-can someone point me in the direction of an ICM calculator with a with enough field inputs to enter like all the info i mentioned in the op, or do i have to pay monies for something like that? -
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Joined: Dec 09May 11th, 2010 (5/11/2010 7:56pm) in reply to ScAlpZ
I guess he is raising to 10k here pre to try and get the rest of his chips in so with this flop he can't fold. With 3 away from money, why isn't he just open shoving a 14bb stack here...Just sayin!
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Joined: Apr 07May 11th, 2010 (5/11/2010 8:20pm) in reply to Counting Bodies
Exactly what im thinkinOriginally Posted by Counting Bodies
He might as well fold pre if he's going to fold on this flop....
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Joined: Feb 06May 11th, 2010 (5/11/2010 8:34pm) in reply to ScAlpZ
How many people pay? Not that it matters, this is still a snap call as played just that open shoving might be better then raise/calling or w/e but I doubt it.Originally Posted by ScAlpZ
hmmm... okay. welp. he'll be glad to here all this. told him i'd run it up the flag pole and see who saluted.
he snapped and couldn't counterfeit the dudes J4o.
-can someone point me in the direction of an ICM calculator with a with enough field inputs to enter like all the info i mentioned in the op, or do i have to pay monies for something like that? -
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Joined: Sep 09May 11th, 2010 (5/11/2010 9:00pm) in reply to Getumboy
this makes most since for sure, but in these live local tournys prob some type of turbo structure most likely noone was deep , but i agree just jam , and as played never folding the flop, and this guy flatting J4 off to this stack size , wait to any stack size is just horrible , ul, ggOriginally Posted by Getumboy
I guess he is raising to 10k here pre to try and get the rest of his chips in so with this flop he can't fold. With 3 away from money, why isn't he just open shoving a 14bb stack here...Just sayin!
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lennixl0u
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Joined: Jul 09May 11th, 2010 (5/11/2010 11:37pm) in reply to ScAlpZ
If he's playing to win, he calls. He is ahead against so many hands in this spot. If he is more concerned about just cashing, he folds. Which he did ... enough said.
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Joined: Mar 07May 11th, 2010 (5/11/2010 11:51pm) in reply to lennixl0u
OP said his friend snap called and the guy tabled J 4 off...This is a snap call like everyone in this thread has said. That the dude has 2 pair is irrelevant imo.Originally Posted by lennixl0u
If he's playing to win, he calls. He is ahead against so many hands in this spot. If he is more concerned about just cashing, he folds. Which he did ... enough said.
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Joined: Apr 06May 11th, 2010 (5/11/2010 11:55pm) in reply to sanzard
pls shove pre next time
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Joined: May 08May 12th, 2010 (5/12/2010 12:18am) in reply to Randinho
shove pre.
dk if anyone said that but that's pretty obvious.
oh and call.... -
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Joined: May 09May 12th, 2010 (5/12/2010 1:01am) in reply to sXeffects
Id be surprised if less than 100% of the time the villain doesnt have AJ 88 99 1010 here easiest call ever these live guys love shovin into titties
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