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Fold or shove all in, even a flat call?

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  1. GRETZKY427 GRETZKY427 is offline

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    Jun 30th, 2010 (6/30/2010 1:52pm)

    Full Tilt Poker Game #21980002106: $2 + $0.25 Sit & Go (169723630), Table 1 - 20/40 - No Limit Hold'em - 8:02:45 ET - 2010/06/30
    Seat 1: gui11gui (1,245)
    Seat 2: smartbreeder (1,500)
    Seat 3: ME (1,335)
    Seat 4: GR8ACK (1,150)
    Seat 5: patport (2,010)
    Seat 6: headtohead13 (1,440)
    Seat 7: BetPotPush (1,450)
    Seat 8: Rent an ace (1,460)
    Seat 9: FZFAN (1,910)
    Rent an ace posts the small blind of 20
    FZFAN posts the big blind of 40
    The button is in seat #7
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to ME [8c 8d]
    gui11gui calls 40
    smartbreeder folds
    ME raises to 120
    GR8ACK folds
    patport folds
    headtohead13 folds
    BetPotPush calls 120
    Rent an ace folds
    FZFAN folds
    gui11gui raises to 520
    ME???

    Whats my move its either a fold or shove all in or is there warrant to just flat call and see a flop?

    If i call im calling off just under half my stack on a pair of 8s hoping to flop a set or better.
  2. hammerchops hammerchops is offline

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    Jun 30th, 2010 (6/30/2010 3:53pm) in reply to GRETZKY427

    in a $2 sng i feel like the limp/re-raise is usually a premium hand and a clueless villain. depending on reads (if he's done stupid things like this with air before) you could possibly shove profitably, but it isn't something i'd do often.

    oh, and never ever call here.

    fold > shove >>>>>> call imo
  3. Port3305 Port3305 is offline

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    Jun 30th, 2010 (6/30/2010 6:27pm) in reply to hammerchops

    You are never ever calling the reraise. I don't think many players at this level would be doing this as a bluff. If you shoved I think you would be hoping that the guy had AK or AQ. You don't have many chips invested, so unless you have seen the guy just throwing money around and know he could be doing this light, I would fold and look for a better spot.
  4. hushpuckena hushpuckena is offline

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    Jun 30th, 2010 (6/30/2010 7:46pm) in reply to Port3305

    With the limper and your stack size, I like limping 88 myself.

    The way this actually went, you can't call-you need implied odds to hit your set and aren't getting them.
  5. GRETZKY427 GRETZKY427 is offline

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    Jul 1st, 2010 (7/1/2010 10:52am) in reply to hushpuckena

    ME folds
    BetPotPush folds
    Uncalled bet of 400 returned to gui11gui
    gui11gui mucks
    gui11gui wins the pot (420)
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 420 | Rake 0
    Seat 1: gui11gui collected (420), mucked
    Seat 2: smartbreeder didn't bet (folded)
    Seat 3: ME folded before the Flop
    Seat 4: GR8ACK didn't bet (folded)
    Seat 5: patport didn't bet (folded)
    Seat 6: headtohead13 didn't bet (folded)
    Seat 7: BetPotPush (button) folded before the Flop
    Seat 8: Rent an ace (small blind) folded before the Flop
    Seat 9: FZFAN (big blind) folded before the Flop

    I folded even those im holding a medium pair, there is still alot of his range that would have me crushed and even then ill be in a coin flip situation.
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  6. jdawg0913 jdawg0913 is offline

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    Jul 1st, 2010 (7/1/2010 3:54pm) in reply to GRETZKY427

    limp reraise in a micro sng. people do this with lots of holdings besides AK, KK+

    calling: out of the question. cant do it. that is a huge spew
    folding: passing on this spot isnt a bad thing. it cost u 3 bbs. if u play the hand and lose. it costs u the tourney
    raising: ne raise commits u to the hand so
    shoving: if ur gonna raise u have to shove it. he is never folding here so u have no fold equity. now it is a matter of how 88 does against his range.

    a quick check of his opr says he is a losing player. given that info, i lean to shoving. there is a good chance u could have him dominated.
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