Stage #1986357456 Tourney ID 4853820 Holdem Multi Normal Tournament No Limit 20 - 2009-11-08 18:31:29 (ET)
Table: 31 (Real Money) Seat #6 is the dealer
Seat 1 - BIGBOD111 (1,450 in chips)
Seat 2 - ACEACE545 (4,930 in chips)
Seat 3 - JHROSE (1,950 in chips)
Seat 4 - AWALL630 (1,930 in chips)
Seat 5 - RIVERBLUFF26 (1,850 in chips)
Seat 6 - CELDRIDGE (1,910 in chips)
Seat 7 - SUCKFISHS111 (900 in chips)
Seat 8 - KKEKCKBK (3,110 in chips)
Seat 9 - TENNOW20 (2,000 in chips)
SUCKFISHS111 - Posts small blind 10
KKEKCKBK - Posts big blind 20
*** POCKET CARDS ***
Dealt to AWALL630 [Js Jc]
TENNOW20 - Raises 60 to 60
BIGBOD111 - Calls 60
ACEACE545 - Folds
JHROSE - Folds
AWALL630 - Calls 60
RIVERBLUFF26 - Calls 60
CELDRIDGE - Folds
SUCKFISHS111 - Folds
KKEKCKBK - Calls 40
*** FLOP *** [4s 4c 2h]
KKEKCKBK - Checks
TENNOW20 - Checks
BIGBOD111 - Checks
AWALL630 - Bets 175
RIVERBLUFF26 - Folds
KKEKCKBK - Raises 835 to 835
TENNOW20 - Folds
BIGBOD111 - Folds
AWALL630 - Folds (Fold & Show [Js Jc])
KKEKCKBK - returned (660) : not called
*** SHOW DOWN ***
KKEKCKBK - Does not show
KKEKCKBK Collects 660 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total Pot(660)
Board [4s 4c 2h]
Seat 1: BIGBOD111 Folded on the FLOP
Seat 2: ACEACE545 Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 3: JHROSE Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 4: AWALL630 Folded on the FLOP
Seat 5: RIVERBLUFF26 Folded on the FLOP
Seat 6: CELDRIDGE (dealer) Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 7: SUCKFISHS111 (small blind) Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 8: KKEKCKBK (big blind) collected Total (660) HI:(660) [Does not show]
Seat 9: TENNOW20 Folded on the FLOP

its pretty standard but the amount of his raise looked so suspicious. i dont know if any thinking player plays a flopped set that hard on a board that really isnt too scary, but he could def have a 4 in his hand since he was priced in from sb. i didnt three bet my jj pre since i didnt rly see any reason to build a with that hand this early it def would have gone call call call...terrible flop. that being said if im thinking along those lines i know i have to be prepared to make folds like this when im not sure im good. lemme know what you think.

Please please please 3 bet preflop so you're not in gross spots where you have no clue where you are. As played I have no clue what I do here. A part of me wants to peel the turn or jam as I can't fathom how he plays a monster this bad, but I can understand a fold.

Appreciate all your posts.. 3betting def seems like itd be correct here but ive grinded microstakes enough to know that most players will call with any two if theyve invested a chip in the pot so i guess thats mainly where im stuck and i dont think its a problem that has a simple solution. if the level of play was a little better than that of a sunday $6 mtt, i think it goes without saying that threebetting pre would be the best option.

This is a great post. I'd probably play it the same as you did. In early stages I like to play JJ much like TT or 88 or whatever, and basically hope for a set. I agree that a reraise at this stage will only bring along stragglers, it won't get rid of any overcards, although it probably would have killed SB in this case but I think that's too results-oriented to consider.

I'd bet on the flop in the same spot and probably fold to the checkraise if I didn't have any indication that the villain was playing like a nut. However if I'd seen him act really aggressive for the last few hands (and since he has 3000 chips, I wonder if he had) I'd probably have to call. You can run into these people who still play like it's 2006 and don't mind checkraise bluffing allin on the third hand.

Appreciate hearing everyone else's thoughts especially, since this is a nasty situation that comes up often enough.

i really dont like this.

your hand is VERY underrepresented here and villain can show up with 55-TT a lot

i ship it in here and get an easy double up.

also, dont show

yea, but if i saw this hand id reraise you every single flop and youd become exploitable, basically forcing you to have a hand to play against me

its almost never a good idea to give away free info

btw sick scores congrats on 2nd in mil last month