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Folding AK late in a mtt

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  1. ahhhhhsht ahhhhhsht is offline

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    Aug 21st, 2009 (8/21/2009 12:54am)

    Id like to hear some thoughts on this fold...the only real read i have on him is he 3bet me one time from an lp steal spot. Other than that hes been solid TAG, and the 4bet here was instant

    pokerstars Game #31872225345: Tournament #187197519, $25.00+$2.50 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XVI (1250/2500) - 2009/08/20 21:12:55 PT [2009/08/21 0:12:55 ET]
    Table '187197519 115' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
    Seat 1: upay4mytreez (81779 in chips)
    Seat 3: Valse_Triste (39787 in chips)
    Seat 4: tbayman1 (126150 in chips)
    Seat 5: Carl N Lenny (73170 in chips)
    Seat 6: victor328 (59779 in chips)
    Seat 7: Kuconi (89736 in chips)
    Seat 8: ahhhhhsht (100250 in chips)
    Seat 9: savsams (69005 in chips)
    upay4mytreez: posts the ante 250
    Valse_Triste: posts the ante 250
    tbayman1: posts the ante 250
    Carl N Lenny: posts the ante 250
    victor328: posts the ante 250
    Kuconi: posts the ante 250
    ahhhhhsht: posts the ante 250
    savsams: posts the ante 250
    Valse_Triste: posts small blind 1250
    tbayman1: posts big blind 2500
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to ahhhhhsht [Ks Ad]
    Carl N Lenny: folds
    victor328: folds
    Kuconi: raises 5000 to 7500
    ahhhhhsht: raises 17500 to 25000
    savsams: raises 43755 to 68755 and is all-in
    upay4mytreez: folds
    Valse_Triste: folds
    tbayman1: folds
    Kuconi: folds
    ahhhhhsht: folds
    Uncalled bet (43755) returned to savsams
    savsams collected 63250 from pot
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 63250 | Rake 0
    Seat 1: upay4mytreez (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 3: Valse_Triste (small blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 4: tbayman1 (big blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 5: Carl N Lenny folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 6: victor328 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 7: Kuconi folded before Flop
    Seat 8: ahhhhhsht folded before Flop
    Seat 9: savsams collected (63250)
  2. Dr.Guillotine Dr.Guillotine is offline

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    Aug 21st, 2009 (8/21/2009 1:03am) in reply to ahhhhhsht

    he's 4betting from the cutoff this could be something like QQs+/AQs+. I'd expect him to 4bet all in there with those hands since 3-betting from the hijack can be a resteal. If he's a competent player that may have been a borderline lay down, but with your stack and those blinds I'm sure you can find a better spot to chip up in where you don't have to showdown.
  3. mtstackin88 mtstackin88 is offline

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    Aug 21st, 2009 (8/21/2009 8:17am) in reply to Dr.Guillotine

     
    Originally Posted by Dr.Guillotine View Post

    he's 4betting from the cutoff this could be something like QQs+/AQs+. I'd expect him to 4bet all in there with those hands since 3-betting from the hijack can be a resteal. If he's a competent player that may have been a borderline lay down, but with your stack and those blinds I'm sure you can find a better spot to chip up in where you don't have to showdown.

    This is wrong don't listen. You can never ever ever fold here. You only have to call 43k more into 107k, laying you 2.5 to 1 to call. This means you only need 28% equity vs his shoving range to profitably call. AK is better than that vs ALL hand ranges, even if he is only shoving qq+ there.
    More importantly, 3bet folding esp. 40bb deep is beyond horrible. u should already have anticipated a shove and know how ur reacting to that when u re-raise. If u dont wanna call a 4 bet, perhaps u shouldnt be 3betting in that situation. However, in this hand, your 3bet was good and should be followed by calling any shove.
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  4. Rev.K Rev.K is offline

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    Aug 21st, 2009 (8/21/2009 10:09am) in reply to mtstackin88

    Terrible fold. You're committed. 43k more into 105k = insta-call.
  5. rungoodmuch rungoodmuch is offline

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    Aug 21st, 2009 (8/21/2009 12:14pm) in reply to Rev.K

    Wow dont fold here brah. Insta snap call win race vs QQ
  6. ahhhhhsht ahhhhhsht is offline

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    Aug 21st, 2009 (8/21/2009 12:58pm) in reply to rungoodmuch

    when we calc the ranges here do we add in ranges for the original opener?
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  7. Dr.Guillotine Dr.Guillotine is offline

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    Aug 21st, 2009 (8/21/2009 9:04pm) in reply to ahhhhhsht

    you should add in ranges for the original raiser unless he's the type to raise fold that stack size a lot.
  8. Qtrain Qtrain is offline

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    Aug 21st, 2009 (8/21/2009 11:21pm) in reply to mtstackin88

     
    Originally Posted by mtstackin88 View Post

    This is wrong don't listen. You can never ever ever fold here. You only have to call 43k more into 107k, laying you 2.5 to 1 to call. This means you only need 28% equity vs his shoving range to profitably call. AK is better than that vs ALL hand ranges, even if he is only shoving qq+ there.
    More importantly, 3bet folding esp. 40bb deep is beyond horrible. u should already have anticipated a shove and know how ur reacting to that when u re-raise. If u dont wanna call a 4 bet, perhaps u shouldnt be 3betting in that situation. However, in this hand, your 3bet was good and should be followed by calling any shove.

    hey MT....how are you coming up with 28%? Sorry to ask such a novice question, but I am still learning. Thanks.
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