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Folding KK late in tourneys to no raise - is this possible.

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  1. genetic genetic is offline

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    Mar 24th, 2007 (3/24/2007 4:27am)

    I'm not talking about folding them to someone's re-raise and cold calling an all in.

    Obviously, part of this post is a whine post to cry about how many times i've lost with KK late in tourneys to sets, 3 outer Ax's or running into AA preflop.

    But, the numbers are staggering. We're talking in the line of 12 straight tournaments both B&M and online where my stack death was attributed to KK late in tournaments good for a first cash and a happy meal.

    Now. Is it possible that I can fold KK, given my history with it? Mathematically speaking, it's not. But based on my results, had I given it a shot once in a a while I might have different results.

    Do any of you avoid certain hands that have a history of destroying your hopes and dreams? Am I a complete idiot for even considering folding KK straight up first to act, to a raise or otherwise?

    Someone set me straight.
  2. kissamr98 kissamr98 is offline

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    Mar 24th, 2007 (3/24/2007 12:12pm) in reply to genetic

    the variance will change and you will start making up for the differance. Do you track your play history. If so go back through and really check on how many time this happens. If you don't keep track then start. Then go back and see the percentages are. So the answer to your questin is a Positive NOOOOPE!!!
  3. neophyte neophyte is offline

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    Mar 24th, 2007 (3/24/2007 3:14pm) in reply to genetic

    Fuck No
  4. grapsfan grapsfan is offline Head Curmudgeon

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    Mar 24th, 2007 (3/24/2007 10:52pm) in reply to genetic

    Go back and look at your play...spend some time figuring out what mistakes you're making with KK that they keep getting cracked. Are you getting cute and limping UTG? Making small raises in a low-limit game? Not re-raising when there's a raise and a call? Not getting away on a T98 flop when you bet and get raised?
     
  5. RAISETOWIN RAISETOWIN is offline

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    Mar 24th, 2007 (3/24/2007 11:46pm) in reply to genetic

    Give this a try. Email your online site support and dont complain but show a little frustration and ask if they can query the results of showdowns when your pocket holdings are KK. Mabey say for the last Few Months or so. I know I complained about losing an enormous amount of coin flip situations over a period of time to pokerstars support. The guy sent a query of all my hands that were all in situations and involved a coin flip. Pretty interestin. Well they weren actually the hand histroies, just the results. This might help to eleviate your Kingaphobia problem.
  6. sotti sotti is offline

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    Mar 24th, 2007 (3/24/2007 11:51pm) in reply to genetic

    No F'n way.

    if you're folding kings pre-flop to an unopened pot, stop playing poker and take up a different hobby.

    As grapsfan said, examin why you're kings are getting cracked. If on average 5 people are behind you when you get kings some one will have Aces like 1 in 40 times, that may not sound like alot, but with variance it could happen 2 in 10 times quite easily, then you get all the Ax hands that will flip with people you have the ability to lose 5 or 6 of those in a row really easily.

    I actually punched my computer monitor for the first time after I had KK run into AA, AJ lose to AJ that made a flush, then had KK get cracked but f'in 85.
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