if you can win later on by avoiding a loss this hand, you fold. If not, don't fold(unless he clearly has AA)

I asked this same ? a couple of days ago. Bel0wab0ve mentioned last week that he has only folded KK preflop twice in his poker career. I never got an answer from him but maybe he will respond this time. Bel0w if you read this please explain the situations where you folded your KK.

LOL at that, seriously though. A poker response.

I know that one of the times he was wrong because he posted it. Honestly, most of the time when you have KK and someone else has AA you are just going to lose your money.

I've folded KK pf once, it was a live cash game in a club in NY.. guy shows AK after i fold. Everyone agreed 9/10 times with that betting pattern/ same situation my opponent would be holding AA, so I'm still proud of the laydown.

a good thread.

in my small stakes MTT's -- I almost cannot imagine ever folding KK.

sure, I have had kk run into aa sometimes. But how many times did I call thinking, shit he is a big stack he just might have aa.... and then BANG his cards open and the donk has a10s or 66 or the list goes on and on and on.

In fact, on the $ bubble in a "big" party tourny (20+2 10k gauranteed -- about the biggest I ever play) me and 1 other at table are 2 of the biggest stacks in the field (600 starting with maybe 100 left?). I open the hand with a r from mid pos with kk to 3 BB. he raises from sb to 10bb. I shove all in and he INSTA calls with ak. I mention this of course because I am still emotionally scarred from the A on the turn, gg me.

folding KK -- phew. I find it tough to imagine doing it. maybe I suck? or (and more likely) maybe I have been "trained" by my crappy and typical opps to never consider folding KK? not sure. maybe a leak?

--tc

I have also been knocked out several times recently deep in tournaments with KK vs. AA. Both times I was in the top 5 in chips. I was already in the money in both and I had raised large from early position and had the tournament CL just go all in. One of the times I thought I might have been up against AA and made the crying call but I really think that I made the correct play both times. The time I thought I might be beat I thought there was about a 40-50% chance that he had AA with AK, QQ, complete bluff and KK as the other most likely hands in decending likelyhood. I am a huge favorite half the time and I can still suck out 20% of the time against AA. I thought that it was worth the risk in order to have a giant chip lead going into the FT. I think it would be much easier to fold KK preflop in live play because of the more abundant information available, but I have yet to make that play.

Been in a stretch where at least once a day I have KK run into AA in cash games. and I haven't been getting it the other way around. makes me with I could fold KK pre flop.

But every time I think about that I just remember all the donkey hands that have called my all in before the flop. It makes up for it in the long run

I've only ever folded KK once because the donk I was playing against made it so clear I was beat. So I fold saying "JJ", and sure enough he shows AA

I had a great chance to fold KK preflop here, but i couldnt click the fold botton. I bet there are others on this site that could have folded it, going against 2nd chip leader.

pokerstars Game #4668687469: Tournament #23113488, $50+$5 Hold'em No Limit - Level XIV (1500/3000) - 2006/04/18 - 18:53:58 (ET)
Table '23113488 13' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 2: TALLAL (10140 in chips)
Seat 3: AaronLoew (18110 in chips)
Seat 4: ltownlawdog (108060 in chips)
Seat 5: marcel777 (131644 in chips)
Seat 6: redsoxsox (300754 in chips)
Seat 7: DuyTheMaster (21442 in chips)
Seat 8: RoKaFeLa (32672 in chips)
Seat 9: trollguttn (26414 in chips)
TALLAL: posts the ante 150
AaronLoew: posts the ante 150
ltownlawdog: posts the ante 150
marcel777: posts the ante 150
redsoxsox: posts the ante 150
DuyTheMaster: posts the ante 150
RoKaFeLa: posts the ante 150
trollguttn: posts the ante 150
ltownlawdog: posts small blind 1500
marcel777: posts big blind 3000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to redsoxsox [Kh Ks]
redsoxsox: raises 5800 to 8800
DuyTheMaster: folds
RoKaFeLa: folds
trollguttn: folds
TALLAL: folds
AaronLoew: folds
ltownlawdog: folds
marcel777: raises 5800 to 14600
redsoxsox: raises 25400 to 40000
ltownlawdog said, "uh oh"
ltownlawdog said, "lmao"
marcel777: raises 91494 to 131494 and is all-in
redsoxsox: calls 91494
ltownlawdog said, "hello"
*** FLOP *** [2h Ad Jc]
redsoxsox said, "nh"
*** TURN *** [2h Ad Jc] [9h]
*** RIVER *** [2h Ad Jc 9h] [7s]
ltownlawdog said, "vnh"
*** SHOW DOWN ***
marcel777: shows [Ac Ah] (three of a kind, Aces)
redsoxsox: shows [Kh Ks] (a pair of Kings)
marcel777 collected 265688 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 265688 | Rake 0
Board [2h Ad Jc 9h 7s]
Seat 2: TALLAL folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: AaronLoew (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: ltownlawdog (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: marcel777 (big blind) showed [Ac Ah] and won (265688) with three of a kind, Aces
Seat 6: redsoxsox showed [Kh Ks] and lost with a pair of Kings
Seat 7: DuyTheMaster folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: RoKaFeLa folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: trollguttn folded before Flop (didn't bet)

Maybe you shouldnt be thinking as much about folding KK preflop as you should be thinking about why your stack was so small that you could be eliminated by the player with AA in all of these instances...
Ive folded KK preflop but I have to be incredibly sure I'm right - I've done it 3 times total online... I think you might need to get your priorities straight - it is very rarely correct to fold kk preflop especialy in tourneys that pay the most to top 3...

I was 3rd in chips in this situation, the problem was 2nd in chips had the AA. 10 left

Well, I dont think there are concrete rules for laying down KK preflop. Sometimes you get to know a player well enough to know that the only hand theyd play that way is AA (or KK but since u hold KK).. Also, with enough action at a tight table I can lay down KK...

I dont see how you cant lay it down here-- based on the way you played the hand, he HAS to put you on AA/KK. There is no way you are putting in the third raise preflop with QQ or AK, therefore for him to shove in his stack, hes going to have to have KK or AA....most likely AA obv. As for those who say you shoudltn ever fold KK pre i disagree completely. I have fded KK preflop 9 or 10 times in my career, but they were all in situations where I was 95% sure it was AA I was against. I know every player has had the situation arise when they say to themselves, I'm sure hes got AA, i know im beat, but you call anyway....its in those situations you need to forget about the fact that your hand is KK and think about the fact that you are most likely second best.

I post this same response everytime someone post this . Harrington on holdem pg 240 and 241 I can't say it any better