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thx for posting this. Its funny how little we know about what goes on behind the scenes.
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best read this week. i wish they would talk a little bit about poker laws in California.
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Am I the only one who thinks party poker laying down like a punk B@%# and pleading guilty could hurt us? Paying 100 million in lobbying and big time lawyers would have to have been a better investment than 300 mil in fines and running.
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100mil sounds about right, after paying off the pros, it guys, server costs, customer support, etc.
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Is his name really Anurag Dikshit???
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Who likeaa what?
Ruth Parasol DeLeon and Russell DeLeon who like Dikshit
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Dear Speaker Pelosi,
If it is not too much trouble, please insert the following languange somewhere in your next 1000 page, $1 trillion dollar spending bill:
"The UIGEA is hereby repealed effective immediately."
Respectfully submitted,
Online degens everywhere -
yeah... way to go, dikshit.
Originally Posted by iplaypokerbad
Am I the only one who thinks party poker laying down like a punk B@%# and pleading guilty could hurt us? Paying 100 million in lobbying and big time lawyers would have to have been a better investment than 300 mil in fines and running.
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Why hasn't the government yet cracked down on the poker firms? One possible explanation is that prosecutors figure they are better off bluffing than having to show their hands before a jury. "The federal government is not going to take any action against them because they would stand a chance of losing it," says Frank Catania, who used to run New Jersey's Division of Gaming Enforcement and now advises online gaming firms.
This makes sense. If the government was confident of it's position it would have taken steps to shut down sites still operating in the US. -
actually when i originally read this i thought the same thing. the laws are so vague that Dikshit could have paid a team of lawyers half that amount and win a stalemate from DOJ. i don't know what that guy or his lawyers were thinking....
Originally Posted by iplaypokerbad
Am I the only one who thinks party poker laying down like a punk B@%# and pleading guilty could hurt us? Paying 100 million in lobbying and big time lawyers would have to have been a better investment than 300 mil in fines and running.
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Or he could have just told the DOJ to fk off and never enter the US
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I know. I totally don't get their line of thinking in that whole ordeal. Now the dude is going to return to the US in December to face a possible 2 year prison sentence? Fat chance of getting me to willfully go to another country for a two year prison sentence if I ever had to.
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party Gaming is a publicly traded company over seas, so that's most likely the main reason Party left the US market. If they stay they risk losing way more money by fighting the DOJ. And if they lost in the courts, their share price would have taken a bigger hit then it did when the decided to close shop in the US.
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Ya guys, its not like Party just layed down and let the US run all over them, they are a public traded and owned company, both FTP and stars are private. This means that Stars and FTP have no one to answer too.
Originally Posted by DeaconMike
party Gaming is a publicly traded company over seas, so that's most likely the main reason Party left the US market. If they stay they risk losing way more money by fighting the DOJ. And if they lost in the courts, their share price would have taken a bigger hit then it did when the decided to close shop in the US.
I remember when Party first decided to pull out, the word on stock market threads was that 3-4 of their main investors threatened to pull out their investment because they didn't want their money involved in anything that could possibly be illegal. So after that Party just backed out and rolled over for the US so they didn't lose their high profile investors. Stars and FTP never did this because there investors are Private and don't give a fuck about the risk involved(prolly cause they have good lawyers who tell them not to worry). -
Mark my words, online poker in the United States will NEVER be illegal in the same sense that cocaine and murder are illegal. You will never be arrested/fined for playing online poker. Your funds may be seized temporarly like in the past, but that too will pass. They may threaten this or impose that, but there is waaaaaaaaay too much money involved and with stars and FTP being private companies, the DOJ will have such a hard time completely shutting down their operation in the US that the taxpayers or our reps in the govt will put a stop to the battle after seeing how much taxpayer money is going to fighting it vs. the money we would earn by legalizing and taxing it. Not to mention that any real attempt at shutting down the big two will be locked up in court for years before anything concrete is done. Once again, it will NEVER happen.
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I am sure you people criticizing party poker have put yourselves in the shoes of its board of directors, because if you had you would have concluded that it would be a great idea to risk other peoples investment in the company; ie: the shareholders, on your desire to prove your point when the alternative is to operate relatively risk free in pretty much the rest of the world.
It is one thing to be responsible for and risk your own capital and it is quite another to be responsible for and risk another persons capital when you are held to certain standards as a fiduciary of that capital.
The first level thinking on this is incredibly weak. -
there is a recent FBI thread in 4's legislation forum also fwiw...
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/57...out-ft-716470/ -
They lost the money and shareholders anyway Id rather fight and lose then run and lose. According to forbes PStars makes 500 million in profit thats means Party likely gave up 1.5 - 3 BILLION dollars cash by running their stock also took a big hit as well They should have fought period.
Originally Posted by Willywoo
I am sure you people criticizing party poker have put yourselves in the shoes of its board of directors, because if you had you would have concluded that it would be a great idea to risk other peoples investment in the company; ie: the shareholders, on your desire to prove your point when the alternative is to operate relatively risk free in pretty much the rest of the world.
It is one thing to be responsible for and risk your own capital and it is quite another to be responsible for and risk another persons capital when you are held to certain standards as a fiduciary of that capital.
The first level thinking on this is incredibly weak. -
sick brag about reading Forbes.
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