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Forgetting the 3-outer, did I overplay this?

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  1. MrSlime MrSlime is offline

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    Jan 18th, 2008 (1/18/2008 8:42am)

    pokerstars Game #14642303141: Tournament #74243649, $5.00+$0.50 Hold'em No Limit - Level IV (50/100) - 2008/01/18 - 09:36:22 (ET)
    Table '74243649 4' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
    Seat 1: bonk182 (1310 in chips)
    Seat 2: cranemaster (2210 in chips)
    Seat 3: rasta4453 (660 in chips)
    Seat 4: pikeypikey (2145 in chips)
    Seat 5: centx (1630 in chips)
    Seat 6: Slimer3 (1935 in chips)
    Seat 7: SenorJo (1550 in chips)
    Seat 8: 300offthetee (2455 in chips)
    Seat 9: ynor80 (3555 in chips)
    centx: posts small blind 50
    Slimer3: posts big blind 100
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to Slimer3 [Qd Qs]
    SenorJo: folds
    300offthetee: raises 200 to 300
    ynor80: folds
    bonk182: folds
    cranemaster: folds
    rasta4453: folds
    pikeypikey: folds
    centx: calls 250
    Slimer3: raises 1635 to 1935 and is all-in
    300offthetee: calls 1635
    centx: folds
    *** FLOP *** [Kc 2c Ks]
    *** TURN *** [Kc 2c Ks] [Ad]
    *** RIVER *** [Kc 2c Ks Ad] [7s]
    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    Slimer3: shows [Qd Qs] (two pair, Kings and Queens)
    300offthetee: shows [Jh Ah] (two pair, Aces and Kings)
    300offthetee collected 4170 from pot
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 4170 | Rake 0
    Board [Kc 2c Ks Ad 7s]
    Seat 1: bonk182 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 2: cranemaster folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 3: rasta4453 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 4: pikeypikey (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 5: centx (small blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 6: Slimer3 (big blind) showed [Qd Qs] and lost with two pair, Kings and Queens
    Seat 7: SenorJo folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 8: 300offthetee showed [Jh Ah] and won (4170) with two pair, Aces and Kings
    Seat 9: ynor80 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

    I knew the guy was quite fishy/loose, so was 90% sure I was ahead.
  2. Bulldogmafia Bulldogmafia is offline

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    Jan 18th, 2008 (1/18/2008 9:33am) in reply to MrSlime

    No you didn't. With your chip stack and the blind level and this hand you only have one move.
  3. MYBLUEDOG MYBLUEDOG is online now

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    Jan 18th, 2008 (1/18/2008 10:57am) in reply to MrSlime

    Please, tell us you're kidding about foldiing [QdQs] in this spot.

    If you're not kidding, then tell me how you predict the villain is going to catch his [A].

    Range for FTA raise in UTG+1 is ATs+,88+,KJs+ for most any player in $5.50 events (in fact their opening requirements are probably much wider).

    You're so far ahead here, it's not funny.

    Don't beat your self up on these small things. It's just poker variance. It happens to all of us. The sooner you see this and move on to the next game, the better off you'll be.

    You should thank your lucky charms cereal leprecan everytime you get called by [AJ]s.

    If you think about folding 68:32 favorites, you shouldn't play poker.

    Hold'em Simulation
    <span>1,712,304 trials (Exhaustive)</span>
    <table border="1" cellspacing="0"><tbody><tr><th>Hand</th><th>Pot equity</th><th>Wins</th><th>Ties</th></tr><tr><td>QdQs</td><td>67.76%</td><td>1,157,052</td><td>6,407</td></tr><tr><td>AhJh</td><td>32.24%</td><td>548,845</td><td>6,407</td></tr></tbody></table>
    What hands do you want to wait on [A] high?
  4. car_t_a car_t_a is offline

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    Jan 18th, 2008 (1/18/2008 1:52pm) in reply to MrSlime

    Your play is delicious. Just got unlucky.
  5. MrSlime MrSlime is offline

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    Jan 20th, 2008 (1/20/2008 8:13pm) in reply to car_t_a

    Thanks for the replies, in response I obviously am very happy when he calls but just wondered if anyone else would have played it different. Similar thing happened to me in A £50 FO in DusktilDawn (Notts). Villain raised from mid position, I picked up AA in the big blind so re-raised him 3 times his raise, he goes all-in with JJ, I call and he turns a J. Any benefit to maybe just calling the initial raise then going all-in on the flop?

    Matt
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  6. rubycube rubycube is offline

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    Jan 21st, 2008 (1/21/2008 2:59pm) in reply to MrSlime

    With regards to the AA hand you want to get as much money in the pot as early as you can, and if he is willing to get it all in before the flop w/ JJ take that every time. With your QQ hand, if you are deeper stacked you could make a case for flat calling and re-evaluating after the flop, however this is a better play with a pp that is more vunerable (like 88 or 99). With the stack sizes and the structure, you had one move. If he has you beat or sucks out on you. GG and on to the next. You did exactly what you were supposed to do, so you can feel good about that. IMO.

    Jon
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