Check out our brand new Local Poker Communities! Get updates and interact with poker players in your area.
Visit the United States Poker Community | Visit the California Poker Community | Read more about the Launch of P5s Local

FOXWOODS 1-2 MISPLAYED HAND

Reply to Thread
  1. xmikex137 xmikex137 is offline

    Durham, NH
    United States

    Posts: 10
    Joined: Nov 06

    Aug 8th, 2007 (8/8/2007 1:14am)

    Ok I was playing in a NL 1-2 cash game at foxwoods this weekend. I had just moved to a new table and 3 hands in, experienced a hand which I think I misplayed, against an unknown opponent. Remember, I had no reads on this table at this point.

    A late position player made it 15 (which is by all means a standard preflop raise in 1-2 at foxwoods), the button called and I was holding AKcc. I made it 40

    Question 1: Im confident I didn’t raise enough, but I was at the point where I wanted a call by any submarginal hand as I figured I could outplay postflop with a non-dry board, as many players here will call reraises with weak holdings like AQ suited, any mid pair, perhaps even KQ (as we’ll see later). So how much would you re-raise here, 50-60?

    The late position, original raiser, folded, and the button went on to call. Noteworthy to point out our stack sizes. I was sitting with 900 behind me, and my opponent had roughly between 300-500.

    We went to a flop of Qd3c6c. I led out for $50. The pot contained roughly 15+15+40+5 in blinds and limpers = 75

    Question 2: too much or too little?

    He called. Turn came Qh. Here was where I lost the hand. I checked. My thinking was that there was no possible way I was ahead at this point. Once he calls preflop, I have to put his range at any pair, or any Queen, probably AQ suited or even off-suit.<SPAN> </SPAN>My reason for checking was under the assumption that he called the flop with atleast a queen, if he had no hit a set and turned a boat. I did not put him on a float call to bluff the turn, so I figured I would somewhat surrender the hand and not sink any more money on only a draw.

    Question 3: Do you bet this turn. If so, for how much? If not, why not?

    I would like to share what the opponent was holding, AFTER some feedback, to avoid biases or distractions.
  2. KSCKID KSCKID is offline

    Centerville, MA
    United States

    Posts: 502
    Joined: May 06

    Aug 8th, 2007 (8/8/2007 1:25am) in reply to xmikex137

    ok gonna make an honest replay to this but def want to know how you have 900 behind after just sitting unless u had bills under ur chips and thats what u meant.

    Well id say your raise is a good one if u want action......making it 60 has a better chance of just taking it down pre but then again it is foxwoods and the 1/2 players are half tards. I think your flop bet is fine and i would almost always check this turn hoping to see a free card if he in fact does have trip Qs and decides to play them slow checking behind. I mean, if you decide to bet this turn your almost commiting yourself to playing for the rest of his chips (that is if make a standard 3/4 pot bet here). u said he had between 3 and 500, so my comments are based more towards the 300 mark. Its also tough having no read whatsoever, although if u had said what he did on the turn it may be easier to come to some conclusion on his holdings(for readers that is) did he fire the turn?
  3. R_U_Nuts R_U_Nuts is offline

    South Bend, IN
    United States

    Posts: 7,865
    Joined: Jan 07

    Aug 8th, 2007 (8/8/2007 12:21pm) in reply to xmikex137

    There should have been about 100$ in the pot pre flop. Your 40 the callers 40 original raisers 15 and 5 from the blinds. On that flop heads up out of position im looking to take the pot down right then and there so I would fire out a very close to pot size bet probably 75-80 bucks. If he calls that I would have to rely on my read at that point. If I was in his position and hit with AQ I would raise your flop bet to see where I was at so Im not real sure I would give him credit for the Q. Funy thing is I had almost the exact same thing happen couple weeks ago twice 1st time guy called my flop bet with same holding 2nd time guy had a pair of jacks and when i pushed the turn he called i got lucky and hit the K on the river. Having said all that I always recomend go with your gut.
  4. rayspizza rayspizza is offline

    Posts: 1,666
    Joined: Dec 06

    Aug 8th, 2007 (8/8/2007 1:50pm) in reply to xmikex137

    I raise more PF, Im putting in 60. In this game the players call light and you should try and maximize your return on thier mistake.

    I dont like the Flop bet, Pot is 100, If I was going to lead I would probably make it 70. Your bet is only $10 more than your raise on the last street, this not strong enough to knock out 99-JJ or AK. In your position I would probably check/shove the flop. With these stack depths you have good fold equity against 99-JJ, maybe even KQ. If villain has AQ or KQ, well you still have flush outs. also, I put biutton on AA, KK very rarely in this situation - that is the ponly reason I'm advocating a shove

    As played I probably Check fold the turn. youe quity is crap now.
  5. babyblueeyes babyblueeyes is offline

    Stamford, CT
    United States

    Posts: 329
    Joined: Jul 07

    Aug 8th, 2007 (8/8/2007 2:49pm) in reply to xmikex137

    Tough hand to evaluate. A-K OOP Pre Flop-isn't so bad with a raise in front of you but when he calls and you miss the flop you have a big decision to make. You are saying that a $15 raise is the regular raise so I am not putting the villain on a set of 3's or 6's since most people at these levels like to see a cheap flop. I believe A-Q and K-Q have to raise you since you re-raised PF to find out if they are against an overpair. The hand smells like QQQ but I could be wrong. In your situation I check the flop and re-raise if bet at only since he opened the pot PF. He is as strong as QQQ and as weak as 99-JJ
  6. mozzer mozzer is offline

    Brooklyn, NY
    United States

    Posts: 6,018
    Joined: Aug 06

    Aug 8th, 2007 (8/8/2007 4:47pm) in reply to babyblueeyes

    As played, I'd probably check the turn and see how much the other guy bet before making a decision. I agree with the others about betting more on the flop, you miscalculated the size of the pot here.
  7. shady1128 shady1128 is offline

    Buffalo, NY
    United States

    Posts: 602
    Joined: Aug 07

    Aug 8th, 2007 (8/8/2007 5:04pm) in reply to xmikex137

    as far as calling on the turn it depends on how much his bet would be after you check, firing at this pot again could take away your chance of trying to see the nut flush at the river as most people who turn trip Q's will re-raise, particularly if his stack is more towards the 300 end rather then the 500 end. It's doubtful that he has a boat at this point because what hands is the player going to call with preflop that will now give him a boat? Just beacause the board is paired doesn't mean you have to fear the house. Calling the turn, if you do decide to check and he bets has a lot to do with your ability to get away from the flush if a club comes that would fit into his range of hands preflop that would now give him a boat. Ultimately I think it depends on the size of his stack and how much money he has left, if he has towards the 500 then you might be getting the implied odds to chase the nut flush if you think you can stack him if he does have AQ. As far as preflop I agree with R U Nuts. AK OOP is a hand I don't want to see a flop with. Make decisions that will make your later decisions easier. I make it a pot size re-raise preflop
  8. xmikex137 xmikex137 is offline

    Durham, NH
    United States

    Posts: 10
    Joined: Nov 06

    Aug 9th, 2007 (8/9/2007 12:08am) in reply to xmikex137

    Yes he fired the turn for 100. Sorry
    Thread Starter
  9. xmikex137 xmikex137 is offline

    Durham, NH
    United States

    Posts: 10
    Joined: Nov 06

    Aug 9th, 2007 (8/9/2007 12:13am) in reply to xmikex137

    and yes im a retarded villain, in my typing i didnt add in his call of 40 more, but when I was playing, i did, it was just a mistake by firing too small on flop
    Thread Starter
  10. rayspizza rayspizza is offline

    Posts: 1,666
    Joined: Dec 06

    Aug 9th, 2007 (8/9/2007 8:50am) in reply to xmikex137

    fold. you played the hand wrong and now you must dump.

    calling is spew
  11. Dusty Dusty is offline

    Telluride, CO
    United States

    Posts: 9
    Joined: Mar 06

    Aug 9th, 2007 (8/9/2007 11:53am) in reply to rayspizza

    I agree with previous comments about bet size, etc. I like the check raise on the flop, it looks very strong and even if the villian does not bet, and you can't raise, you get a free card to the flush. If the villian does not bet the flop, it gives his hand away as an underpair or some kind of ace that did not hit, because any reasonable player that hits a flop with 2 clubs, and is not on a flush draw themselves, must bet to protect their hand. A check raise says I have AA or KK or something better than top pair, and if you get called by a Q you have prob 9+ outs to the best hand.

    When you check the turn 90% of players will bet 99-JJ as we have put his range of underpairs so you still may have 15 outs....I guess a lead shove on the turn is wreckless, and depending on your read, may or may not be getting odds to call turn bet, ie, if you put them on the Q you only have 9 outs, if you put them on the underpair, 15....

    What about the possiblility of calling pre and keeping the pot smaller so if you do hit a FD you can get more aggressive for less money invested?
Reply to Thread

Similar Threads