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Free flop from the BB, hit top pair and bust out

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  1. donkUverymuch donkUverymuch is offline

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    Sep 1st, 2007 (9/1/2007 1:17pm)

    Did I do anything wrong here? Did I do ALOT wrong here? Like maybe build a pot for my opponent? Should I have shoved the turn? Folded the river? Honestly I have no clue so anyone's opinions are welcomed. Thx.

    DONK

    pokerstars Game #11811498862: Tournament #59099189, $20+$2 Hold'em No Limit - Level V (75/150) - 2007/09/01 - 13:11:30 (ET)
    Table '59099189 152' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
    Seat 1: AaiGht08 (3455 in chips)
    Seat 2: LionOnTour (2999 in chips)
    Seat 3: willies777 (4475 in chips)
    Seat 4: HocusPocus1 (9350 in chips)
    Seat 5: Dreprofane (4848 in chips)
    Seat 6: Franes23 (6510 in chips)
    Seat 7: missnic27 (5683 in chips)
    Seat 8: glory2god (5412 in chips)
    Seat 9: PaTcRaZy (3705 in chips)
    glory2god: posts small blind 75
    PaTcRaZy: posts big blind 150
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to PaTcRaZy [9h 7s]
    AaiGht08: folds
    LionOnTour: folds
    willies777: folds
    HocusPocus1: calls 150
    Dreprofane: folds
    Franes23: calls 150
    missnic27: folds
    glory2god: folds
    PaTcRaZy: checks
    *** FLOP *** [2d 6h 7d]
    PaTcRaZy: bets 450
    HocusPocus1: folds
    Franes23: calls 450
    *** TURN *** [2d 6h 7d] [5h]
    PaTcRaZy: bets 1200
    Franes23: calls 1200
    *** RIVER *** [2d 6h 7d 5h] [3h]
    PaTcRaZy: checks
    Franes23: bets 2000
    PaTcRaZy: calls 1905 and is all-in
    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    Franes23: shows [Kd 4d] (a straight, Three to Seven)
    PaTcRaZy: shows [9h 7s] (a pair of Sevens)
    Franes23 collected 7635 from pot
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 7635 | Rake 0
    Board [2d 6h 7d 5h 3h]
    Seat 1: AaiGht08 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 2: LionOnTour folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 3: willies777 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 4: HocusPocus1 folded on the Flop
    Seat 5: Dreprofane folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 6: Franes23 showed [Kd 4d] and won (7635) with a straight, Three to Seven
    Seat 7: missnic27 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 8: glory2god (small blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 9: PaTcRaZy (big blind) showed [9h 7s] and lost with a pair of Sevens
  2. MYBLUEDOG MYBLUEDOG is online now

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    Sep 1st, 2007 (9/1/2007 1:44pm) in reply to donkUverymuch

    You did many things wrong.
    (1) The bet on the flop was okay to see were you are, but it was a little to large. Don't commit so much to a flop that can hit limpers easily.
    (2) You floped top pair bad kicker. Don't get to excited because you hit this on a gift flop. Remember the story about the Trogan Horse. Once you are called, slow down. Make smallish bets, unless the board becomes more scarry. Try to think what kind of hand would call you on the flop and proceed with some degree of caution. Especially, when you don't improve.
    (3) On the river, when the only thing you can beat is a bluff, seriously consider folding. A push may be a bluff but you don't have much of a hand with just a pair.
    (4) You bet to much and felt pot commited on a scarry board.
  3. donkUverymuch donkUverymuch is offline

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    Sep 1st, 2007 (9/1/2007 1:58pm) in reply to MYBLUEDOG

    I have to disagree with your first two points completely. I have played alot of poker, I'm not "getting all excited b/c I hit this on a gift flop." LMAO <span>That's</span> the situation I'm asking about, about playing top pair when you get a 'gift flop' as you like to call it on the BB. Bascially you reaffirmed that the only thing I should've done differently is fold to his bet on the river so, thanks I guess. I also think I could've just not put any money in the pot at all and check folded but that line also give you zero shot to win the pot so I guess I just should've folded the river. I also could've checked the flop and bet big on the turn to try to price him out of the hand but who the hell knows.
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  4. shady1128 shady1128 is offline

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    Sep 1st, 2007 (9/1/2007 2:13pm) in reply to donkUverymuch

    I had a very similar question I posted on here not too long ago and it turns out this is just a tough situation to be in. No one has a real answer to give you. I phrased my question a little differently: What's more important, to price out draws or keep the pot small?

    In my experience I think it's more important to keep the pot small in a tournament then it is to try and price the draw out. In a cash game with deep stacks I feel the opposite is true, but when you're in this position playing with a limited amount of chips were survival is more important I think it's better to let the board come out, if he hits it, he hits it. You'll know to get away from the hand. It's better to risk less money in these tough situations and wait for better situations later in the tournament...even if you sometimes fold the best hand.
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