Blinds have been fairly tight/straight forward. degord2 has shown the ability to jam over opens from the blinds but hasn't gotten out of line. Is this just a standard r/f spot?

pokerstars Game #37774501592: Tournament #252010873, $10+$1 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XXV (10000/20000) - 2010/01/07 2:12:08 ET
Table '252010873 49' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 2: Shmikintos (808454 in chips)
Seat 4: SPACH18 (162734 in chips)
Seat 5: Soma2012 (900330 in chips)
Seat 7: vyper22 (757418 in chips)
Seat 8: degord2 (311412 in chips)
Shmikintos: posts the ante 2000
SPACH18: posts the ante 2000
Soma2012: posts the ante 2000
vyper22: posts the ante 2000
degord2: posts the ante 2000
degord2: posts small blind 10000
Shmikintos: posts big blind 20000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to vyper22 [Kc Qd]
SPACH18: folds
Soma2012: folds
vyper22: ??

never raising more than 2.5 here. what kind of reshove range are you giving him here? if BB had same stack as SB its just an open jam imo. but what range is degord shoving here?? table read is everything here...44+, n most broadways, any ace?

 

Originally Posted by lemongello

5 handed KQ is a must raise in unopened pots and is in the higher end of your raising, not already made hands. (You can't worry about what the player will do, you let them act and then analyse and react to it)
So you open for 2.5 BB so 50k. This is 40k for d2 to call.
IF he's gonna raise a descent re-raise here would be for just less than 1/2 his stack so he would be committed to the hand. (anywhere from 130 -150k)
You have a pretty easy call at this point to see the flop because even if he has JJ (which is in the top of his range here) you are still 43%. So call the bet and play the flop IN POSITION>>
** IF he were to get silly and shove (which to me screams middle pair) you have easy fold because at that point you would have to call 260k to win only 130k. You would be at 707k and roughly 36 BB..

GL

I'm not clear why a shove is "silly" for him here. Any raise commits him so his choices are shove now or open shove for 1/2 pot on the flop offering 3:1. It looks to me like if he plays to a raise at all he shoves to isolate.

 

Originally Posted by odstore

No offense but this seems mildly retarded. I'm obv opening here on the bu 5 handed but seeing as how I'm gonna get jammed on here a ton I knida need a plan. This post is more about what sb's perceived resteal range is and if I can ever r/c here.

SB's M=7.8 so his shove range will be somewhat wide I think but not enough so that we'll be able to call his shove. He'll come back to us with most As, all pairs down to maybe 66 or 55, most suited broadway, maybe some offsuit broadway. He may be a loose cannon but with a big stack in the bb coming back over the top maybe 8% to 10% the math says he sticks to value.

The BB is more interesting as we can call a raise from there.

 

Originally Posted by lemongello

5 handed KQ is a must raise in unopened pots and is in the higher end of your raising, not already made hands. (You can't worry about what the player will do, you let them act and then analyse and react to it)
So you open for 2.5 BB so 50k. This is 40k for d2 to call.
IF he's gonna raise a descent re-raise here would be for just less than 1/2 his stack so he would be committed to the hand. (anywhere from 130 -150k)
You have a pretty easy call at this point to see the flop because even if he has JJ (which is in the top of his range here) you are still 43%. So call the bet and play the flop IN POSITION>>
** IF he were to get silly and shove (which to me screams middle pair) you have easy fold because at that point you would have to call 260k to win only 130k. You would be at 707k and roughly 36 BB..

GL

stop posting

and i think you have to r/c a dece amount of ur range here because of how deep the bb is- if both blinds have 15 bbs u can jam ur whole range- r/c is def fine against degord imo, if degord folds n shminktos 3bets it depends on how active hes been, ur deep enough to see one in position but theres really no reason to get carried away with K high

just 2.5x it, raise/call vs. the 300kish stack, raise/fold vs. the other guy

 

Originally Posted by odstore

 

Originally Posted by saukendar

The BB is more interesting as we can call a raise from there.

?

Our hand is worth a raise and as I see it the SBs only action is shove or fold. With the BB live behind him his shove range will be such that we can't call.

If we raise and the SB folds but the BB makes it 120K-150K his raise range would require us to call in possition, now we're playing poker :) I find that a more interesting spot than the SB.

 

Originally Posted by odstore

I don't really see that as a good spot to flat a bb 3bet. Shove/fold spot imo and I was def folding based on history.

Certainly fold any raise or shove is viable. I agree shove into a BB 3-bet isn't likely to work out well.

I had no info on history on the BB & that clearly plays into this choice. In general if I'm getting good odds to play I'm less willing to give up position by re-shipping from late and more willing to re-ship to take position out of play from the blinds and early. I guess I'm just more willing to play post flop than some.