You assumption that it’s a +EV move with that card range is false.

Of all the hands you listed you’re only a huge favorite over one that is AQ.<span> </span>Every other hand you at least a 56 44 dog too.

So with that in mind why call a push like that from someone who can bust you from the game.<span> </span>You got tons o chips and lots of play I would pick a better spot.

Bottom line is I would wait for a better time.

Doug from Colorado

If biko snap calls then ill fold to cash

So you've played I don't know how many hours to get in position to make it in the top 3 (where all the money is) yet you're gonna snap call AK (almost always a race) and hope to hit???

Ummm I'm folding A high here and def. finding a much better spot to get my money in... especially considering he's a bigger stack and can knock you out. If its a smaller stack shoving I might consider a race to get a large chip stack at a final table. I think its rediculous you've played that long to risk your tourney on AK against someone who can take you out.

I agree with what Rizen says in his videos 100%... avoid making big mistakes.

So what if you're out 15k in chips, no need to compound the error and call off your stack... you're still well over 100k in chips. Dump it and find somewhere better.

Just my $.02

Super easy fold. And mordan if youre gonna be a doucheclown at least get you terms right. The guy didnt OPEN SHOVE as the op has already opened the pot for a raise. And to say that no on EVER pushes all in with AA or KK there means you havent played much or just that you would never do it which means........exactly nothing. Then you tell him to call next time when he says he called and lost to TT. GG reading and comprehension skills

looooooool

I disagree that it is a super easy fold.

given that: you have a healthy stack size as is, that you feel the table is not THAT strong, and so with the 25 BB stack you will have left you feel reasonably confident of a top 3 finish, and you dont have much (any?) read on the opp other than the range you indictaed (and I agree with your range, very low odds of aa and kk (combined 1%... MAYBE combined 5%, but LOW), and aq and ak, and then some range of PP that are difficult to play post flop, say 88--qq or so; I WOULD ADD air say 1% to even as high as 10% of the time).

So: he has a slight edge on you with the coin flips, but you dominate air and aq (but you are dominated by aa and KK).

I think it is very close: sure, you win this (probable) coin flip and u have a monster stack and are looking to take down the mtt or 2nd the majority of the time; if you lose you are out in 8th. But if you fold you will have a good shot at top 3.

SO: I go with the fold. but I disagree that it is a super easy fold...!

--tc

I would base my answer more on the table. If you felt you were the best player there against a bunch of basic fish ready to make a lot of basic fishy moves, then fold. If you're up against some tough, aggressive players, call. It's too close a decision to base on just tournament strategy alone.

This isnt an easy fold. although i agree that likelyhood of AA/KK is slim (and for strong players almost non-existant), the fact is, most people are really bad at poker. in a tourney like the 5050, there are some tough players...but for the most part it is full of retards.

in tournaments like this, where there a large number of awful players, people make shoves like this sometimes with AA/kk (not often, but it def happens)

IMO, frictionless is clueless and his respose is bad. after reading it, im sure he has little experiance and isnt good. im not tryin to be an asshole, im just bein honest.

no need to compound the error and call off your stack... you're still well over 100k in chips. Dump it and find somewhere better.
there is no "compounding the error ". NOT opening AK and limping or doing whatever u woulda done is terrible.

your response is full of holes and makes little sense

Im prolly calling here, but it isnt 100%

i think this is fairly close, because youre looking at a race a vast majority of the time here. i almost always call in this situation but i am never very happy about it.

wow Doug.....i've cashed for over 120k on pokerstars.....i mean seriously quit looking like and idiot and post somthing right......your posts are pathetic......

Mordan

Just keep talking your looking smarter and smarter everytime you name call.

Enjoy I am done with this post.

Only one way to tell who is right i'll see you at the table sometime and we can work it out there.

Doug From Colorado

I understand there is +EV here but I still think there is no need to call if you know you're in a coinflip for your tournament... I'm confident enough in my end game where I don't need to take chances winning a coinflip to take the tournament especially if I'm sitting in top 3.

I'm sure there are times where even top players fold in this situation even given the +EV, then again maybe I'm wrong?

BTW Morden you're a complete jackass... you post my PLB points from one site compaired to the total of yours, then you cry and complain when someone posts your profits from only one site. WP Sir...

And since when did more PLBP make your answer qualified or more "right" than someone elses?

Ok im back. Thanks for all of the responses, but i think a lot of people are missing my point. I in no way think this is an easy fold as a majority of people are saying, i also know this is a +EV situation for me to take an a great oppurtunity for me to get a lot of chips.

My question is if people would think about giving up a +EV situation at a final table if they think they have an edge of the remaining feild, obviously only a small +EV situation where i only have the person as a small dog against their range.

Whoever assumed i would not post this if i had won the hand you are completely wrong, i posted this hand to discuss because i feel it helps everyone including myself.

RankMe -

I think in order to intelligently discuss that aspect of the hand we need to know more information about the stack sizes and the play level of the rest of the table.

If you have a huge edge on the rest of the table then maybe.

But if all the play is going to be preflop because of the blinds and stack sizes, then edges kind of even out somewhat over 5 cards.

Congrats on the final table showing and too bad on losing a huge flip.