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  1. BLUEberLEEZ BLUEberLEEZ is offline

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    Oct 11th, 2009 (10/11/2009 1:59pm)

    Full Tilt Poker Game #15254744094: $90,000 Guarantee (106295929), Table 24 - 1700/3400 Ante 400 - No Limit Hold'em - 20:41:10 ET - 2009/10/10
    Seat 1: MrTimCaum (385,155)
    Seat 2: goodvibe (183,170)
    Seat 3: Marlou-37 (247,015)
    Seat 4: Pececillo (112,486)
    Seat 5: BLUEberLEEZ (171,373)
    Seat 6: THAY3R (88,801)
    MrTimCaum antes 400
    goodvibe antes 400
    Marlou-37 antes 400
    Pececillo antes 400
    BLUEberLEEZ antes 400
    THAY3R antes 400
    THAY3R posts the small blind of 1,700
    MrTimCaum posts the big blind of 3,400
    The button is in seat #5
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to BLUEberLEEZ [Th Tc]
    goodvibe folds
    Marlou-37 raises to 8,500
    Pececillo folds
    BLUEberLEEZ calls 8,500
    THAY3R folds
    MrTimCaum has 15 seconds left to act
    MrTimCaum raises to 28,200
    Marlou-37 has 15 seconds left to act
    Marlou-37 has requested TIME
    Marlou-37 folds
    BLUEberLEEZ ???

    What do you range TimCaum here? I haven't played with him much, but he's been a fairly active bigstack. This is the first few minutes of the final table.

    EDIT--sorry for the confusion, this is the actual HH.
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  2. MrTimCaum MrTimCaum is offline

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    Oct 11th, 2009 (10/11/2009 2:05pm) in reply to BLUEberLEEZ

    this is all so confusing
  3. d7o1d1s0 d7o1d1s0 is offline

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    Oct 11th, 2009 (10/11/2009 2:20pm) in reply to MrTimCaum

    i am out of my depth, but i think i'd probably be inclined to take a flop in position getting 2:1 on the call. i can't help but think that his SN, which i know shouldn't really mean anything, would lead me to believe his squeeze range is slightly wider than normal. Like JTs+, QTs+, QJo+, 88+, KTs+, A9s+, ATo+? I think you've probably got at least 33% against this range, and position. You are pretty commited after this i suppose, but I don't think this can be laid down, and i don't think a 4-bet is getting called by worse.
  4. shanetrain22 shanetrain22 is offline

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    Oct 11th, 2009 (10/11/2009 2:22pm) in reply to BLUEberLEEZ

    Sigh. Why on earth would you post a spot like this w/o any reads/stats?
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  5. I Spew Chips I Spew Chips is offline

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    Oct 11th, 2009 (10/11/2009 2:28pm) in reply to shanetrain22

    Shove bc of his name obv.
     
  6. MrTimCaum MrTimCaum is offline

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    Oct 11th, 2009 (10/11/2009 2:30pm) in reply to d7o1d1s0

     
    Originally Posted by d7o1d1s0 View Post

    i can't help but think that his SN, which i know shouldn't really mean anything, would lead me to believe his squeeze range is slightly wider than normal. Like JTs+, QTs+, QJo+, 88+, KTs+, A9s+, ATo+?

    I don't know why he felt the need to change my sn to "SqueezerDewd" and not explain, especially since I'm 95% sure this was the first time I had squeezed a raise and a call.

    It's just a lazily posted hh with not nearly enough information to have any sort of meaningful discussion, and the information he does happen to provide muddles the dynamic that actually existed at the table.
  7. BLUEberLEEZ BLUEberLEEZ is offline

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    Oct 11th, 2009 (10/11/2009 2:37pm) in reply to shanetrain22

     
    Originally Posted by shanetrain22 View Post

    Sigh. Why on earth would you post a spot like this w/o any reads/stats?

    to see what people do in this spot without a read or very much info
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  8. rainmanrcp rainmanrcp is offline

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    Oct 11th, 2009 (10/11/2009 2:41pm) in reply to BLUEberLEEZ

    I think you are flipping or ahead and should shove, this is definitely a squeeze. Idk how to range him exactly but I'm pretty sure his hand is marginal or ATC and a reship is going to induce a fold.
  9. I Spew Chips I Spew Chips is offline

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    Oct 11th, 2009 (10/11/2009 2:47pm) in reply to MrTimCaum

     
    Originally Posted by MrTimCaum View Post

    I don't know why he felt the need to change my sn to "SqueezerDewd" and not explain, especially since I'm 95% sure this was the first time I had squeezed a raise and a call.

    It's just a lazily posted hh with not nearly enough information to have any sort of meaningful discussion, and the information he does happen to provide muddles the dynamic that actually existed at the table.

    I mean really, does it really matter if this was the first time you had squeezed a raise and a call? You're a reg that is capable which I think is more important than you overvaluing this tight image you think you have of not squeezing before.

    I told Frank that this stuff is kinda confusing and kinda moot, bc against a reg it seems to me to be a pretty std spot and against a random its just shoving or folding pre. I mean I guess if you knew all of the table dynamics of a table of regs maybe there could be some leveling but don't really think there's terribly much to discuss on this one.
     
  10. arsenal46 arsenal46 is offline

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    Oct 11th, 2009 (10/11/2009 2:52pm) in reply to I Spew Chips

    my standard is to 3-bet/call pre..as played cant really see folding as an option considering its 6max, i prolly stick it in
     
  11. UhhMee UhhMee is offline

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    Oct 11th, 2009 (10/11/2009 2:54pm) in reply to BLUEberLEEZ

    stick and sigh when MrTimNit has KK
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  12. MrTimCaum MrTimCaum is offline

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    Oct 11th, 2009 (10/11/2009 3:26pm) in reply to I Spew Chips

     
    Originally Posted by I Spew Chips View Post

    I mean really, does it really matter if this was the first time you had squeezed a raise and a call?

    yeah, for sure. they way he originally formatted the OP it made it look like the villain was some ruso-level squeeze monkey, which would make it a turbo snap shove in that spot with TT.

     
    Originally Posted by I Spew Chips View Post

    You're a reg that is capable which I think is more important than you overvaluing this tight image you think you have of not squeezing before.

    Agreed that it's more of an important point, but at the same time I definitely felt like I had a psycho fucking image, especially considering how final two tables played out. He had been at the same table as me for an hour and 20 minutes before this hand, and if that was all the info he could have provided in the pre-edit OP, it looks to me like he wasn't paying attention and/or he's just fishing for people to agree with him and not seeking out actual discussion of strategy...not to say that I think this hand has much value from a discussion standpoint, I felt it was a super standard spot. I can't possibly imagine that this was the most interesting or difficult spot he was in at the table. How about looking at the 4-bet/fold when he first sat down?

     
    Originally Posted by I Spew Chips View Post

    I told Frank that this stuff is kinda confusing and kinda moot, bc against a reg it seems to me to be a pretty std spot and against a random its just shoving or folding pre. I mean I guess if you knew all of the table dynamics of a table of regs maybe there could be some leveling but don't really think there's terribly much to discuss on this one.

    so basically, we agree.

     
    Originally Posted by UhhMee View Post

    stick and sigh when MrTimNit has KK

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  13. I Spew Chips I Spew Chips is offline

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    Oct 11th, 2009 (10/11/2009 3:37pm) in reply to MrTimCaum

    Nice reply. And I'm kind of jealous of your ability to multi-quote. glgl
     
  14. doubledave22 doubledave22 is offline

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    Oct 11th, 2009 (10/11/2009 3:40pm) in reply to UhhMee

    i dont see 99- in his 3b/c range tbh and neither is AQ i dont think unless theres any sort of history but like u mentioned with no info id say his value range is JJ+ AK the rest hes just folding when u shove. Depending on his squeezing frequency here its probably not a bad spot to stick it in. Ur like 33% when called and theres already a decent amnt in the pot + the times he folds.

    ur never called and are ahead i dont think but ur racing vs AK a decent amnt and maybe AQs too otherwise most of ur value comes from when he folds. I guess u could flat but TT plays annoying in spots like this post flop
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