this is a very good spot.

Would love to hear opinions

calling but not liking it

feel like u played it well, without knowing much history but knowing hes pretty aggro, id be tempted to c/shove the turn, just a really awkward spot....as played, bc its BvB i would not be folding but at the same time i'd clearly be not happy about it....feel like at this stage at the final table I would make my decision on how hes been playing, my bad if what I said was awful/ made no sense, but just a really withered spot that you being a really good player, just going with your reads and what you think, I'd be happy about with whatever decision you decided to make.

if you did fold tho, at least you get to see the replay, so run hotter in that aspect....grats on the FT tho, you been raping, keep it up and gl bros.

not sure why he doesn't just shove river, if anything this bet he lays out looks stronger than shoving. I'd determine if he is doing that to look strong, or actually has it, and in my experience typically you're beat in this spot.... i fold

bvb I would sigh and make the call, esp after calling the turn. If u feel the villain is capable of making a move in this spot then a call would be profitable considering u only have to be right around 30% of the time, shitty spot tho imo

he could still be floating complete air on the flop with the intention to take it away from u.feel like j10 is a possibility to, picks up a str8 draw on turn, mb figures he can take it there, and when he doesnt, obv he has to barrel the river to win it.

however obviously alot of stuff out there that beats u, i spose it comes down to how tricky u think hes capable of being, i dont think theres a large range of hands that hit the flop that he barrels with that u can beat, except a drawing hand such as j10 by turn, so with any other type of hand that has showdown value such as q10 or such theres no need to bet the river.
which narrows it down to a hand like j10, otherwise all u beat is him floating on the flop to set up a steal IMO, so if u think hes capable of doing that, i call, and if u think its slim chance, i fold.

just to add, k9 might be in his range but i just dont think hes betting k9 on the river.

Hey guys really appreciate everyone coming in and sharing there input, and thanks bboy, much respect.. please keep it coming if anyone else is interested in sharing there thoughts.

Close eyes, call, walk away and squint peak at ur stack from a distance.

seems really dumb to post a hand like this where you only beat a bluff, considering no one else here has any clue of the dynamic between the two of you, or the dynamic at the table.

i think it's reallyy just impossible for anyone to give you good advice on this hand

 

Originally Posted by Gags30

seems really dumb to post a hand like this where you only beat a bluff, considering no one else here has any clue of the dynamic between the two of you, or the dynamic at the table.

i think it's reallyy just impossible for anyone to give you good advice on this hand

I doubt that it's "really dumb" to post any hand from a wcoop ft that involves some thought. It's always good to share different perspectives and thoughts on hands. Its rare that the other guy has anything but air or nuts, but some players are capable of value betting thin enough where KT is best. And there are the stacks of others to consider and what he'd be left with etc. whatever, regardless...

Quit putting people down. Its rude. Say instead " you only beat a bluff... I don't know dynamic, so can't help much". Then leave it at that. What a prick comment.

i saw this hand go down and was watching for a little while...as for the table dynamic, kingkaizers was opening a pretty high frequency and i think he had actually lost a few small pots leading up to this hand and it might have seemed like he was tilting a bit. i would factor that information into my decision but to me i think that KKaizers would be aware that it might look like he was tilting so he would never bluff in this spot. given his image, and the fact that you can almost never have a flush here after betting flop then checking turn and river, i would assume that KK can easily be value betting 2-pair hands and his range probably isn't as polarized as it might appear in the hand history. i would definitely fold.

obv i wasn't at the table and may be way off with the dynamic but this is what it looked like to me as an observer

 

Originally Posted by frosty012

i saw this hand go down and was watching for a little while...as for the table dynamic, kingkaizers was opening a pretty high frequency and i think he had actually lost a few small pots leading up to this hand and it might have seemed like he was tilting a bit. i would factor that information into my decision but to me i think that KKaizers would be aware that it might look like he was tilting so he would never bluff in this spot. given his image, and the fact that you can almost never have a flush here after betting flop then checking turn and river, i would assume that KK can easily be value betting 2-pair hands and his range probably isn't as polarized as it might appear in the hand history. i would definitely fold.

obv i wasn't at the table and may be way off with the dynamic but this is what it looked like to me as an observer

Ya you are way off there's no way whatsoever he has KK.

And I would say he's most likely checking small pairs and maybe even Ah high..
I also think his bet looks stronger than shoving.
But I can't really talk because I don't know the history between you two.
Looks like indeed a spot where he has air or you lose..
So it's hard to comment when I don't know the dynamic and haven't been in such a critical situation myself.

I think it's really just a hero call you would be making and that is 100% situational between you and the villian.
Just watch the replay and hope u don't see Ah6x.

 

Originally Posted by ACgaming

Ya you are way off there's no way whatsoever he has KK.

And I would say he's most likely checking small pairs and maybe even Ah high..
I also think his bet looks stronger than shoving.
But I can't really talk because I don't know the history between you two.
Looks like indeed a spot where he has air or you lose..
So it's hard to comment when I don't know the dynamic and haven't been in such a critical situation myself.

I think it's really just a hero call you would be making and that is 100% situational between you and the villian.
Just watch the replay and hope u don't see JQ or Ah6x.

I didn't mean to be confusing...but when I wrote "KK" I was referring to the player "KingKaizers" and not the hand pocket kings lol. also, JQ has us beat...

was there any thought to continuing to lead on the turn? would that not give you a chance to win the pot there, and if raised/flatted, make the decisions easier?

 

Originally Posted by Appst08

im sorry, but no

no need to be sorry, but can you expand on why not? (or is that too basic :))