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View Poll Results: What is ScrillaGorila's best play?

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  • Call

    20
    30.77%

  • 4-bet reraise

    45
    69.23%

FTOPS 14 - what to do with KK pre

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  1. Ninemil Ninemil is offline

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    Feb 11th, 2011 (2/11/2011 7:15pm)

    What is best here pre?


    Full Tilt Poker Game #28106970886: FTOPS Event #14 (1r+1a) (209596275), Table 35 - 10/20 - No Limit Hold'em - 14:04:34 ET - 2011/02/11
    Seat 1: jdpc27 (3,990)
    Seat 2: Minotavr (3,920)
    Seat 3: RenTob (2,040)
    Seat 4: ScrillaGorila (4,000)
    Seat 5: DarkHorse19 (2,160)
    Seat 6: Olibasar (5,890)
    Seat 7: Dachskatz (2,000)
    Seat 8: LAVABIRD (4,000)
    Seat 9: stR8Quads217 (2,000)
    RenTob posts the small blind of 10
    ScrillaGorila posts the big blind of 20
    The button is in seat #2
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to ScrillaGorila [Kc Kd]
    DarkHorse19 has 15 seconds left to act
    DarkHorse19 folds
    Olibasar folds
    Dachskatz folds
    LAVABIRD has 15 seconds left to act
    LAVABIRD raises to 60
    stR8Quads217 folds
    jdpc27 has 15 seconds left to act
    jdpc27 raises to 260
    Minotavr folds
    RenTob folds
    ScrillaGorila?????
     
  2. JLucky34 JLucky34 is offline

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    Feb 11th, 2011 (2/11/2011 7:32pm) in reply to Ninemil

    well, its not flatting, and its not pushing. hope that helps
  3. doinwork09 doinwork09 is offline

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    Feb 11th, 2011 (2/11/2011 7:35pm) in reply to JLucky34

    Flat
     
  4. rainmanrcp rainmanrcp is offline

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    Feb 11th, 2011 (2/11/2011 7:40pm) in reply to doinwork09

    4b then repost hh prob
  5. Scarypooper Scarypooper is offline

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    Feb 11th, 2011 (2/11/2011 7:42pm) in reply to rainmanrcp

    flat / reevaluate flop / usually let him barrel.
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  6. phatcat phatcat is offline

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    Feb 11th, 2011 (2/11/2011 7:47pm) in reply to Scarypooper

    sniffing out sets, flopping A's, and not inducing 5-bet spazzes all suck balls. So 4-bet.
    444 11
  7. Ninemil Ninemil is offline

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    Feb 11th, 2011 (2/11/2011 8:01pm) in reply to phatcat

     
    Originally Posted by phatcat View Post

    sniffing out sets, flopping A's, and not inducing 5-bet spazzes all suck balls. So 4-bet.


    sizing?
     
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  8. phatcat phatcat is offline

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    Feb 11th, 2011 (2/11/2011 8:42pm) in reply to Ninemil

     
    Originally Posted by Ninemil View Post

    sizing?

    stack rounding is most important factor in sizing so id make it 750 :)

    700 or 650 is ok too though, dont think its terribly important here so long as ur bluff/value sizing are somewhat balanced in general.
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  9. Gags30 Gags30 is offline

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    Feb 11th, 2011 (2/11/2011 9:01pm) in reply to phatcat

     
    Originally Posted by phatcat View Post

    stack rounding is most important factor in sizing so id make it 750 :)

    700 or 650 is ok too though, dont think its terribly important here so long as ur bluff/value sizing are somewhat balanced in general.


    let's be honest...he's never bluffing here

    it's prolly fine to just 4b since jdpc will peel a flop with Q3s here...but generally ti's better to just flat here vs most people

    also, nice sizing by jdpc in this hand
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  10. Smiggie Balls Smiggie Balls is offline

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    Feb 11th, 2011 (2/11/2011 9:04pm) in reply to Gags30

    i flat here, we are almost never getting action from worse if we 4b and our hand is more face up if we 4b. if we flat we widen his range a lot and we can try to play a small pot. its early why do we need to get it in already?
     
  11. SJUHawks18 SJUHawks18 is offline

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    Feb 11th, 2011 (2/11/2011 9:17pm) in reply to Smiggie Balls

    Can you give us a read on JDPC ?? Has he berated anyone yet? Attempted to brag about how cool he thinks he is ? All of these are important factors in deciding our course of action
     
  12. Appst08 Appst08 is offline

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    Feb 11th, 2011 (2/11/2011 9:41pm) in reply to SJUHawks18

    Timebank flat (aside from learning info on sju s post)
     
  13. jdpc27 jdpc27 is offline

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    Feb 12th, 2011 (2/12/2011 5:58am) in reply to Appst08

    i would 4 bet me here since i've obv announced the strength of my hand as gags 30 has alluded too by my huge bet sizing...and your hand is only beat by AA. your 4 bet sizing should be pretty decent in my opinion, maybe somewhere around 720-800. another option is to just flat and control the size of the pot, but i prefer the 4 bet here in this particular case. Depending on the flop, you may get an additional street of value out of me before i shutdown. i'm unlikely to go broke here with jj or qq even on a 224 board as your 4 bet range will be very narrow imo and i will be proceeding vary carefully postflop.

    As played however, i believe you min raised me to about 520 or 560 or so, i flatted your 4 bet, and the flop came A 4 8 or something to that effect...you bet out and folded to a min raise. personally i think i would have checked backed the flop and tried to get your kk to showdown even tho that might turn your hand face up as i'm unlikely to double barrel as a bluff so early in the tournament and on that particular board...so if i keep betting, u know you are beat, but by checking the flop, you may get to showdown by only having to call a bet on the turn...in which case it might go check/check on the river and you might have the best hand...as played however, i think you have to fold the flop and it was unlikely you had the best hand..

    JD
    Edited By: jdpc27 Feb 12th, 2011 at 06:01 AM
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  14. Schlik20 Schlik20 is offline

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    Feb 12th, 2011 (2/12/2011 6:18am) in reply to jdpc27

    lol
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    Feb 12th, 2011 (2/12/2011 6:24am) in reply to Schlik20

     
    Originally Posted by Schlik20 View Post

    lol

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  16. jtj03 jtj03 is offline

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    Feb 12th, 2011 (2/12/2011 7:25am) in reply to Deoxyribo

    from what i know jdpc is one big ass clown, what word you want to intonate ( i make up words) in that sentence its up to you.

    ne hoo my input is the only reason you would flat here is to allow him to get more money in on the flop, if you dont have intentions of doing that then just 4b
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  17. flashdisastr flashdisastr is offline

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    Feb 12th, 2011 (2/12/2011 2:18pm) in reply to jtj03

    I think its a spot where nobody will win a big pot unless jpdc has exactly AA. Cold-calling this 3 bet is something I rarely do, but i mean it looks pretty much as strong as 4 betting imo, doubt your are gonna cold call with JJ that early vs this 3 bet size, so ur range to cold call there should be like QQ+, ultra-polarized. Then u will have to play a pot OOP vs a good player who prob knows ur range there... So unless u have some ridic history I would just 4 bet because like Gagas said Jpdc has shown pretty much he has got a hand and is prob gonna peal some pc. of the time, (like he admited...).
    I agree as well the 4 bet should be bigger, just doesnt make too much sens here to 4 bet small oop at this stage with these particular stacksizes.
    Vs a weaker typish player cold calling (even QQ) might be better???
    And for the guys who said flat, would you flat QQ as well in this particular spot???
    Edited By: flashdisastr Feb 12th, 2011 at 02:19 PM
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