Full Tilt Poker Game #25746849692: FTOPS Event #29 (2-Day) (186722263), Table 90 - 1000/2000 Ante 250 - No Limit Hold'em - 14:32:50 ET - 2010/11/21
Seat 1: blizair (48,767)
Seat 2: 4leafcloverx1 (87,710)
Seat 3: mugam (80,146)
Seat 4: Syous (99,078)
Seat 5: herbhealsme (19,239)
Seat 6: Scarypooper5 (69,667)
Seat 7: Hixx (138,360)
Seat 8: MaDDKypreO (74,662)
Seat 9: DeGamblor (94,634)
blizair antes 250
4leafcloverx1 antes 250
mugam antes 250
Syous antes 250
herbhealsme antes 250
Scarypooper5 antes 250
Hixx antes 250
MaDDKypreO antes 250
DeGamblor antes 250
DeGamblor posts the small blind of 1,000
blizair posts the big blind of 2,000
The button is in seat #8
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to blizair [Ad Kc]
4leafcloverx1 folds
mugam folds
Syous folds
herbhealsme folds
Scarypooper5 raises to 4,000
Hixx has 15 seconds left to act
Hixx has requested TIME
Hixx raises to 12,000
MaDDKypreO raises to 74,412, and is all in
DeGamblor folds
blizair has 15 seconds left to act



i had played 2 previous pots wtih the 4 bettor, lost HH's but one pot he opened MP with i flatted kqcc flop k77 he bet into a 3 way pot i called turn 2 chck chck, river 7 he bet 11k into liek 22k i called he showed j4.... other pot he opened a 24 bb stack in the 2 hole i 3 bet got it in with 1010 vs aq and lost that one... fairly standard... altho a bit ambitious by him with aq there imo

cant imagine folding given read and the fact that everyone but u and maddk can fold still

what scary and dave said...tough spot, but i gotta imagine i am calling this. id say AK and JJ+ in ur spot...and i think id probly fold the AK if i had roughly 10 blinds more in ur shoes (around 70kish)

that's exactly what i said dean. fold if i had 70... tx for the reply

ill post results after i get some more replies bickslick

I feel like if he had one of the 2 hands that have you dominated he would not snap jam but rather hollywood a little bit. I think it's also worth considering that he might 4b small with KK/AA some % of the time. Seems like he got dealt a strong hand and already decided he was sticking it in, so wanted to quickly get it over with before he had a chance to rethink it - something like 1010-qq, aq/ak, and from the hands you posted I wouldn't be too overly surprised if he showed up with qks/ajs.

I might be more concerned about the 1st 2 guys in the pot, bt from Scarypooper's post, seems like their ranges are pretty wide.

I would say based off the two hands prior to this I would gladly get it in vs this guy. He seems like he might possibly be playing a bit out of his league which I def think makes worse A's get shown here by him bc he may just not know how to fold an aq here. Also I think with you calling off in this spot makes it that you can get qq and less to fold here behind. In a tournament as stacked as this you need to try and find the few weak spots when your this deep and I think this guy is as close as they come. Knowing his stats would also be very helpful here to know what stakes he normally plays at. I have a feeling though that you took this and he showed AA or KK and ppl will say well obv thats what unknowns always have in this spot.

 

Originally Posted by Aslama01

I'd say he is using his image to his advantage. He apparently likes to show that he is willing to push his chips in. At this point, I'd say he has probably some low suited connectors in an attempt to buy it, or he has a high pair and probably has you dominated. Personally, I'd fold. Blinds are pushing it, but you can still wait for a better situation to be in.

You're leveling yourself big time, doubt the villain in this hand played J4 earlier to "use his image to his advantage." Much more likely that he's just bad. Also, what is this advice based on, that he either has SC or "probably" a big PP. Doubt he has AK dominated very often here at all, TBH.

The only thing I really agree with here is that Hero can wait for a better situation, but I doubt that's optimal.

 

Originally Posted by Aslama01

Forgot to mention the two betters before him. Odds are you are going up against at least one pocket pair, probably an Ace and another face card out. Your outs are dwindling and just not looking like a good spot to be in.

Sorry, not to troll you but the two bettors (hopefully not betters!) before him are part of the reason to get it in here. (Dead money obv) Who cares if hero is up against a PP-- highly doubt other villains get it in lighter than JJ, if that. Once again, you really have no claim to say that hero's outs are "dwindling," it's just as likely the OR has 55 and the 3bettor 78s.

True, but in the terms of the 4-bettor, he Had shoved on a 4-bet with AQ so he may very well have the 4-bettor dominated, but it also shows he will shove it if he legitly has something. Perhaps I'm wrong, but that's my analysis of it.

 

Originally Posted by andressoprano

Everybody should stop posting after The_Dean does, is that simple. When he talks, I listen and try to learn.

haha true story.

i was talking to someone before and asked why our stack is at all relevant in this hand? everyone is gonna have their own range, but lets just assume hes jamming 77+,AQs+,KQs,AQo+,KQo. keep in mind this range is questionable, and 22 will play identically to 77 since hixx isnt gonna be calling a 4b jam with 66 anyway (assuming hes 3b some middish pairs like 88-JJ in the first place - obv we dont know what the dynamic is at the table) villain could be shoving KJs for all we know figuring its a good spot to 4b if he recognizes the raise and 3b are standard reg on reg LP violence

with 46517 chips we need 41.5% and are 52% vs the range i posted above
with 65000 chips we need 42.9% and are 52% vs the range i posted above

so there we need 1.5% more equity when our stack is 65k vs 46k

so someone explain why youre gonna call with what our stack is now but fold if we had 20k more. k thx bye.

Our stack matters because as much as a lot of guys hate to admit it you can pass up Marginal spots in tournaments because there is no rebuy option. There is value to passing up marginal spots in order to look for better spots and your stack size in relation to hte blinds determines which spots you should be passing up / not passing up

Thus with 30 bb i.e. deans post you have a lot more time to look for better spots that are not as marginal as this spot vs here with 24bb here your options are more limited.

I call and fold with 30bb +

with 35bb i 100% guarentee you can find multiple better spots then calling it off vs cold 4 bet jams with 2 to act behind you and its really not that close.

 

Originally Posted by blizair

i had played 2 previous pots wtih the 4 bettor, lost HH's but one pot he opened MP with i flatted kqcc flop k77 he bet into a 3 way pot i called turn 2 chck chck, river 7 he bet 11k into liek 22k i called he showed j4.... other pot he opened a 24 bb stack in the 2 hole i 3 bet got it in with 1010 vs aq and lost that one... fairly standard... altho a bit ambitious by him with aq there imo

I think the history with this player means absolutely nothing. It's one thing to get a little cheeky with J4 in a 3 way pot and yeah it's ambitious to get it aipf w AQ but not overly crazy. It's a whole different thing to be 4b jamming pf without something big.

I'd say you're against AA/KK more times than JJ/QQ and at best you're flipping for stacks