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  1. DJB20 DJB20 is offline

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    Nov 14th, 2007 (11/14/2007 8:13am)

    Ok, so this is the hand I busted out on in the $200 PLO8 Event earlier tonight:

    (I'm DJB20, my hole cards were Ac Ad Kh 7s)

    FullTiltPoker Game #4168684600: - 120/240 - Pot Limit Omaha H/L -
    23:01:52 ET - 2007/11/13

    Seat 1: eddyboy (7,390)
    Seat 2: smudgie36 (4,892)
    Seat 3: hAAydon (6,070)
    Seat 4: WiShIwUzThErE (16,065)
    Seat 5: QqJjKk (12,932)
    Seat 6: Lacey Duvalle (8,295)
    Seat 7: DJB20 (4,034)
    Seat 8: Donkolicious (2,245)
    Seat 9: TheWhtWhale (11,264)
    DJB20 posts the small blind of 120
    Donkolicious posts the big blind of 240
    The button is in seat #6
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    PritEPritEGood (Observer): his
    TheWhtWhale folds
    eddyboy folds
    smudgie36: pepperkitty?
    smudgie36 folds
    hAAydon raises to 680
    PritEPritEGood (Observer): oh is his pepperkitty?
    WiShIwUzThErE folds
    QqJjKk folds
    Lacey Duvalle calls 680
    DJB20 raises to 2,960
    smudgie36: yeah, you were talking to him on the other table, wtf
    PritEPritEGood (Observer): wtf I didn't know
    Donkolicious has 15 seconds left to act
    PritEPritEGood (Observer): AHAHAHAHA
    smudgie36: you didn't know that was him? lol
    Donkolicious folds
    hAAydon raises to 6,070, and is all in
    PritEPritEGood (Observer): no
    Lacey Duvalle folds
    DJB20 calls 1,074, and is all in
    hAAydon shows [Ah 3d 5h 2d]
    DJB20 shows [Kh Ac 7s Ad]
    Uncalled bet of 2,036 returned to hAAydon
    *** FLOP *** [7d 2h 2c]
    *** TURN *** [7d 2h 2c] [Jc]
    *** RIVER *** [7d 2h 2c Jc] [4s]
    hAAydon shows three of a kind, Twos, for high andhAAydon shows
    7,4,3,2,A, for low
    DJB20 shows two pair, Aces and Twos, for high
    hAAydon wins the high pot (4,494) with three of a kind, Twos
    hAAydon wins the low pot (4,494) with 7,4,3,2,A
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 8,988 | Rake 0
    Board: [7d 2h 2c Jc 4s]
    Seat 1: eddyboy didn't bet (folded)
    Seat 2: smudgie36 didn't bet (folded)
    Seat 3: hAAydon showed [Ah 3d 5h 2d] and won (8,988) with HI: three of
    a
    kind, Twos; LO: 7,4,3,2,A
    Seat 4: WiShIwUzThErE didn't bet (folded)
    Seat 5: QqJjKk didn't bet (folded)
    Seat 6: Lacey Duvalle (button) folded before the Flop
    Seat 7: DJB20 (small blind) showed [Kh Ac 7s Ad] and lost with HI: two
    pair, Aces and Twos
    Seat 8: Donkolicious (big blind) folded before the Flop
    Seat 9: TheWhtWhale didn't bet (folded)

    I've been thinking about this hand for a couple of hours now and the more I think about it, the more I doubt my play. Yes, I had aces, but really, that was it. Terrible low draw, rainbow, and no great chance of hitting a straight. If I would have just called, i definitly would have folded after flop as at least one of them most likely had A2, but I'm not sure if i could just call there with my hand. I have folded aces preflop before plenty of times, in fact I folded em earlier in this tournament, and I think it might have been the best thing to do in this situation. In fact, I used cardplayer.com's calculator and found out I was actually behind (barely); my chance to scoop the pot was only 37.93% compared to his 38.01% (wow, what a difference!!!)

    As you can probably tell, I'm pretty confused as to how I should've played this hand. I would appreciate hearing how other people would have played it in this position. Thanks
  2. darkknyt darkknyt is offline

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    Nov 14th, 2007 (11/14/2007 8:27am) in reply to DJB20

    Depending on your read of hAAydon, I maybe call and see a flop or open fold. With no low, flush, or str8 draws, AA doesn't beat much unless you get a high board (which you can't determine without seeing the flop). Also, his pot bet screams at least A2xx so you're drawing to one ace or a miracle broadway.
  3. GambleAB GambleAB is offline 1. I'm awesome

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    Nov 14th, 2007 (11/14/2007 8:50am) in reply to DJB20

    Vs his exact hand, you are 50/50. Vs the worst hand you could possibly see (aces with a low draw and at least one flush draw) you are 40/60. There is enough in the pot so that unless you feel that he has the case aces with two other low cards more than 50% of the time there, you have to stick it in.
     
  4. CalBandGreat CalBandGreat is offline

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    Nov 14th, 2007 (11/14/2007 9:40am) in reply to DJB20

    I think I was under-valueing this hand if the worst that it could be is 40/60. I still dont like this play with aces though, unless the raiser is opening a lot of pots and you feel that you have some fold equity. Even though you can not be a huge dog with this hand, you also can't be a favorite over any reasonable hand. I don't think this is a horrible play, because you are probably flipping or a small dog with dead money in the pot, so it is probably pretty cEV nuetral, but I would look for a better spot.
     
  5. finewhine finewhine is offline

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    Nov 14th, 2007 (11/14/2007 10:02am) in reply to DJB20

    Sorry, but I think you played it badly. With no decent low, no possibility of a flush, and basically, only aces, I think all you can do is call or fold. If you decide to call and then get reraised, you must fold.
  6. DJB20 DJB20 is offline

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    Nov 14th, 2007 (11/14/2007 11:37am) in reply to finewhine

    The more I think about it, the more I agree w/ you. I mean its tough to fold aces pre-flop but i think in this situation it was the right move. However, I disagree w/ calling here. I'm calling for about 17% of my stack against at least two other hands w/ the big blind still to act. And lets face it, there isn't really a flop that could hit me very well here; i do have to figure at least one of the two aces is gone and i have no good draws, so really i believe it's either shove or fold; unfortunately folding was probably the best option, after all i did have plenty of chips to play w/ at that stage.
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  7. elusively elusively is offline

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    Nov 14th, 2007 (11/14/2007 11:49am) in reply to DJB20

    I seriously love Lacey Duvalle.
  8. DJB20 DJB20 is offline

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    Nov 14th, 2007 (11/14/2007 11:55am) in reply to elusively

    lol who is she? other people were talking about her in another forum and i was wondering if she was a pro
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  9. Tbl_Captain Tbl_Captain is offline

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    Nov 14th, 2007 (11/14/2007 2:44pm) in reply to DJB20

    #1 you are not daniel negreaunu, so dont super overplay high only hands(even in high only your hand is suspect against a lot of action)

    #2 probably fold this for the first raise, if not def flat call and get to a flop. Problem is what flop do u like? 10JQ and A99? and other similiar flops. You need to play hands with 2 way value, I would much rather have the villains hand preflop than yours.
  10. DJB20 DJB20 is offline

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    Nov 14th, 2007 (11/14/2007 4:07pm) in reply to DJB20

    ill give this a bump :)
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  11. chknpotpie chknpotpie is offline

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    Nov 14th, 2007 (11/14/2007 4:37pm) in reply to DJB20

    Your 50/50 gainst his hand, while getting very good odds and fold equity, as good players will realize that your range for pushing this is AK24, Aq24, AAx, and his hand could easily be dominated(60/40) in hi lo terms. However, since people cant seem to fold these hands preflop, I would say there are definately better spots to push this hand, as it is obvious that there is at best 1 A left in the deck, and ur hand is relatively weak gainst something that you could push here.
  12. jhill3535 jhill3535 is offline

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    Nov 14th, 2007 (11/14/2007 4:38pm) in reply to DJB20

    A pro in one sense of the word.

    type is www . (her name) .com

    or you cold google it.
     
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