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FTP $50 rebuy...AK facing 4 bet

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  1. DeCodeD DeCodeD is offline

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    Aug 13th, 2008 (8/13/2008 1:25am)

    New table, no reads no stats....Shove or fold? 3 bet size ok?

    Full Tilt Poker Game #7626118671: $20,000 Guarantee (Rebuy) (57909843), Table 9 - 80/160 - No Limit Hold'em - 1:09:31 ET - 2008/08/13
    Seat 1: TheBeingOG (10,340)
    Seat 2: HighOffShisha (2,475)
    Seat 3: ChipSteela (11,190)
    Seat 4: KingJ14 (5,538)
    Seat 5: Dprociak (18,780)
    Seat 6: LJ316 (15,010)
    Seat 7: BSL4U (11,255)
    Seat 8: Smerks (9,617)
    Seat 9: tuna_fish_tank (7,895)
    tuna_fish_tank posts the small blind of 80
    TheBeingOG posts the big blind of 160
    The button is in seat #8
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to Dprociak [Kc Ad]
    HighOffShisha raises to 450
    ChipSteela folds
    KingJ14 has 15 seconds left to act
    KingJ14 folds
    Dprociak raises to 1,590
    LJ316 folds
    BSL4U folds
    Smerks folds
    tuna_fish_tank has 15 seconds left to act
    tuna_fish_tank has requested TIME
    tuna_fish_tank raises to 4,480
    TheBeingOG folds
    HighOffShisha has 15 seconds left to act
    HighOffShisha folds
  2. AAeveryhand AAeveryhand is offline

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    Aug 13th, 2008 (8/13/2008 2:39am) in reply to DeCodeD

    fold, at best ur flipping, and you have enough chips to find a better spot.
     
  3. gguk2008 gguk2008 is offline

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    Aug 13th, 2008 (8/13/2008 5:32am) in reply to AAeveryhand

    Well he's committed to the pot now. You can flat, hope for the Ace or King to pop and fold to his 4000 shove on the flop? Is this viable? Tourney players?
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    Aug 13th, 2008 (8/13/2008 5:58am) in reply to DeCodeD

    With his stack size this is a mustcall. If he had over 10k in chips then its a possible fold.
     
  5. ferrengi ferrengi is offline

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    Aug 13th, 2008 (8/13/2008 3:00pm) in reply to DeCodeD

    I don't like this situation.

    He raised UTG, hesitated quite a bit and then 4 bet you.

    So, I think has a very tight range here. You might be up against QQ or an AK. But I'd say he shows you KK or AA about 50% of the time.

    Also, the hesitation/reraise is very suspicious. It looks like he's trying to make you think he has a tough decision. Who honestly hesitates, requests time and then reraises 3x preflop? If it were really a tough decision, your opponent probably would not be 4 betting. He'd probably either fold or call.
    I don't see any way you could possibly be ahead here.
  6. The Exciter The Exciter is offline

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    Aug 13th, 2008 (8/13/2008 3:27pm) in reply to DeCodeD

    Ok on to the Math!!

    I put your opponents range on anything from QQ - AA here. His hesitation was deliberate, he orchestrated an entire show for you to call him with AK, or KK if that is what he puts you on. I would also dare to add 10's , and JJ to his range here as well but this is HIGHLY unlikely. Facing a Raise and re-raise in this spot most good players deep in a tourney would not risk their entire stack w/ JJ or 10's. Although he did have position on both of you, it is still a marginal play given the stack sizes.

    At best you were in a 45% (you) to about 54% (him) flip situation against QQ, and you had less than 12% equity against AA (6:1) a huge doggie dog. Given your stack size to your opponents I would fold here as even if you were in the former of the two situations why double up a medium stack deep in this type of tournament? Besides it is nearly 1/2 of your stack! On the other hand if your opponent had a smaller stack here a call would be profitable less than 50% of the time.

    A fold here may be construed as a weak play but given the "show" your opponent put on I would put him on AA or KK over 50%-60% of the time and QQ about 20%-30% and 10's & JJ about 10-20%. Not to mention you were getting about 1.6:1 pot odds in a marginal situation (not good even with AK) Hope this helps!!

    -The George
  7. DeCodeD DeCodeD is offline

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    Aug 13th, 2008 (8/13/2008 9:41pm) in reply to ferrengi

     
    Originally Posted by ferrengi View Post

    I don't like this situation.

    He raised UTG, hesitated quite a bit and then 4 bet you.

    So, I think has a very tight range here. You might be up against QQ or an AK. But I'd say he shows you KK or AA about 50% of the time.

    Also, the hesitation/reraise is very suspicious. It looks like he's trying to make you think he has a tough decision. Who honestly hesitates, requests time and then reraises 3x preflop? If it were really a tough decision, your opponent probably would not be 4 betting. He'd probably either fold or call.
    I don't see any way you could possibly be ahead here.

    no 4 bet from the SB...the UTG raiser folded
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  8. DeCodeD DeCodeD is offline

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    Aug 13th, 2008 (8/13/2008 9:49pm) in reply to gguk2008

     
    Originally Posted by gguk2008 View Post

    Well he's committed to the pot now. You can flat, hope for the Ace or King to pop and fold to his 4000 shove on the flop? Is this viable? Tourney players?

    NEVER!!!!! a flat here. worst play posible
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  9. pkalevar pkalevar is offline

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    Aug 14th, 2008 (8/14/2008 8:24am) in reply to DeCodeD

    flat is the same as a shove, your committed either way...

    your 3 bet is too big IMO.... with AA or KK your making it smaller and more a callable bet... that large 3 bet looks like AK to me, though i wouldn't be at all sure of it, or make a play on that guess without playing with you for awhile.

    I think it is a close and read dependent, but i don't see him doing this without AK or JJ+... so i believe that means fold.
  10. djkelly69 djkelly69 is offline

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    Aug 14th, 2008 (8/14/2008 11:03pm) in reply to DeCodeD

    The cold 4 bet for more than half his stack is never less than AA, maybe KK. He would shove anything lower here.

    Snap fold and pretty happy about it.

    Ironically, if he had of shoved I would probably call.
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