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Full House vs. Full House vs. Quads - wtf was I thinking

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  1. TimeForPT TimeForPT is offline

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    Aug 12th, 2007 (8/12/2007 9:06pm)

    <SPAN>Afterwards, I’m like “son of a bitch”. I clearly could have overbet the pot on the river and won a ton more chips. I just couldn’t believe how tight these players were playing full houses. Should I have overbet the pot at the end, even gone all in?</SPAN>

    <SPAN> </SPAN>

    <SPAN>pokerstars Game #11456160957: Tournament #58129708, $4.00+$0.40 Hold'em No Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2007/08/12 - 20:57:18 (ET)</SPAN>

    <SPAN>Table '58129708 4' 9-max Seat #3 is the button</SPAN>

    <SPAN>Seat 1: TerribleTR (1950 in chips) </SPAN>

    <SPAN>Seat 2: jonahex (1490 in chips) </SPAN>

    <SPAN>Seat 3: StudioMic (1470 in chips) </SPAN>

    <SPAN>Seat 4: hoser1000 (1360 in chips) </SPAN>

    <SPAN>Seat 5: TimeForPT (1500 in chips) </SPAN>

    <SPAN>Seat 6: jimbones78 (1500 in chips) </SPAN>

    <SPAN>Seat 7: joeypresley (1500 in chips) </SPAN>

    <SPAN>Seat 8: ReedMoney (1500 in chips) </SPAN>

    <SPAN>Seat 9: kaii2 (1230 in chips) </SPAN>

    <SPAN>hoser1000: posts small blind 10</SPAN>

    <SPAN>TimeForPT: posts big blind 20</SPAN>

    <SPAN>*** HOLE CARDS ***</SPAN>

    <SPAN>Dealt to TimeForPT [Jc 7h]</SPAN>

    <SPAN>jimbones78: folds </SPAN>

    <SPAN>joeypresley: calls 20</SPAN>

    <SPAN>ReedMoney: calls 20</SPAN>

    <SPAN>kaii2: folds </SPAN>

    <SPAN>TerribleTR: calls 20</SPAN>

    <SPAN>jonahex: calls 20</SPAN>

    <SPAN>StudioMic: folds </SPAN>

    <SPAN>hoser1000: calls 10</SPAN>

    <SPAN>TimeForPT: checks </SPAN>

    <SPAN>*** FLOP *** [Ah 7s Ad]</SPAN>

    <SPAN>hoser1000: checks </SPAN>

    <SPAN>TimeForPT: checks </SPAN>

    <SPAN>joeypresley: checks </SPAN>

    <SPAN>ReedMoney: checks </SPAN>

    <SPAN>TerribleTR: checks </SPAN>

    <SPAN>jonahex: checks </SPAN>

    <SPAN>*** TURN *** [Ah 7s Ad] [7c]</SPAN>

    <SPAN>hoser1000: checks </SPAN>

    <SPAN>TimeForPT: bets 60 </SPAN><SPAN>ß</SPAN><SPAN>-- checking for an ace</SPAN>

    <SPAN>joeypresley: calls 60</SPAN>

    <SPAN>ReedMoney: calls 60</SPAN>

    <SPAN>TerribleTR: folds </SPAN>

    <SPAN>jonahex: folds </SPAN>

    <SPAN>hoser1000: folds </SPAN>

    <SPAN>*** RIVER *** [Ah 7s Ad 7c] [7d] </SPAN><SPAN>ß</SPAN><SPAN> ok I got them no matter what now</SPAN>

    <SPAN>TimeForPT: bets 300 </SPAN>

    <SPAN>joeypresley: calls 300</SPAN>

    <SPAN>ReedMoney: calls 300</SPAN>

    <SPAN>*** SHOW DOWN ***</SPAN>

    <SPAN>TimeForPT: shows [Jc 7h] (four of a kind, Sevens)</SPAN>

    <SPAN>joeypresley: mucks hand </SPAN>

    <SPAN>ReedMoney: mucks hand </SPAN>

    <SPAN>TimeForPT collected 1200 from pot </SPAN><SPAN>ß</SPAN><SPAN>- ok not bad at 10/20 blinds.</SPAN>

    <SPAN>*** SUMMARY ***</SPAN>

    <SPAN>Total pot 1200 | Rake 0 </SPAN>

    <SPAN>Board [Ah 7s Ad 7c 7d]</SPAN>

    <SPAN>Seat 1: TerribleTR folded on the Turn</SPAN>

    <SPAN>Seat 2: jonahex folded on the Turn</SPAN>

    <SPAN>Seat 3: StudioMic (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)</SPAN>

    <SPAN>Seat 4: hoser1000 (small blind) folded on the Turn</SPAN>

    <SPAN>Seat 5: TimeForPT (big blind) showed [Jc 7h] and won (1200) with four of a kind, Sevens</SPAN>

    <SPAN>Seat 6: jimbones78 folded before Flop (didn't bet)</SPAN>

    <SPAN>Seat 7: joeypresley mucked [6s As] <<</SPAN><SPAN>ß</SPAN><SPAN>---------WTF to both hands. No raise on the river, nothing? </SPAN>

    <SPAN>Seat 8: ReedMoney mucked [Tc Ac]</SPAN>

    <SPAN>Seat 9: kaii2 folded before Flop (didn't bet)</SPAN>

    <SPAN> </SPAN>
  2. Chorzz Chorzz is offline

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    Aug 13th, 2007 (8/13/2007 2:09am) in reply to TimeForPT

    Shove shove shove and its not even close, what are both of them calling you on the flop with?? even if just one of them has an A, your getting called, and his 1500 chips are more than the combined 600 chips you got, no one is laying down a full house there in a 4$ tourney...are you.
  3. TheMayor TheMayor is offline

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    Aug 13th, 2007 (8/13/2007 10:05am) in reply to TimeForPT

    If they are gonna call any size bet, that means they must have an A.

    If they have the A they usually aren't going to lay down to a huge shove.

    Shove >>>>> Value Bet.
  4. lordxixor101 lordxixor101 is offline

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    Aug 13th, 2007 (8/13/2007 12:11pm) in reply to TheMayor

    I think your checking for the ace with your 60 chip bet and you got 2 callers. So, was your bet effective? By your logic, you think their are 2 aces. You have to think (from your read) at least one of them has an ace.

    So, here is the question, can an ace fold to a shove? I know I couldn't. In a $4 tournament, it is so -EV to fold an ace there that no decent player would even consider it. Plus, what can shove their? An ace can shove, quads can shove. But, you know donks, they can shove a pair. I think there is a chance that ATC calls thinking this is a split board, ignoring the ace.

    Plus, it is likely that any callers to a bet have an ace (or maybe that 7), so there is no incentive for the raise from an ace.

    With one caller, I might have value bet out to drag him for something. With 2 callers on the turn, I figure one has the ace at least (and if I'm lucky, both) and it's payday.
  5. TimeForPT TimeForPT is offline

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    Aug 13th, 2007 (8/13/2007 9:47pm) in reply to lordxixor101

    Yeah exactly, afterwards I say "WTF did I just do".

    Knew it was totally fucked.

    Thanks all.
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  6. lordxixor101 lordxixor101 is offline

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    Aug 14th, 2007 (8/14/2007 12:26pm) in reply to TimeForPT

    I wouldn't worry about it too much. You really won't hit these sorts of situations too often. You are far better off playing good poker on normal hands, and let these strange sorts of ones play themselves out. So, don't beat yourself up too badly.
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