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  1. djsickdog djsickdog is offline

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    Jun 18th, 2010 (6/18/2010 4:30am)

    hello guys,
    I m looking for people who a profitable on fulltilt sng 9players.
    I play these sng and I dont really anderstand how to have an edge...the structure is very fast, and at the end the thing is how to learn to win a flip??? I mean I have a decent push/fold imo, but I dont anderstand how to be profitable?
    im trying to playin 8 tables at a time cause if I play less im getting bored and I start to make moves and obv moves with micro/low stacks player never works...I play 2$ sngs, and I m waiting for my stars cash out to play 5$
    I have a tracker , holdem manager but overhall that changes nothin and im really looking for people who can make profit on sng 9 pp, so maybe they can give me advices or something
    I just finished a session , and as very often I feel like moron because I lost money :(
    so guys if u read this HELP lol
  2. Zunga Zunga is offline

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    Jun 18th, 2010 (6/18/2010 5:00am) in reply to djsickdog

    It's tough to give an explanation of 'how to beat sng's'. I played and made a profit for a while, albeit not over a massive sample size like some. Now i stay away from the big sites and find that I am a lot more profitable all around. Bodog is proving to be an absolute spewfest at the lower limits (cash).

    Really you have to put in the volume and find areas where you can take advantage of other players. If you can't turn a profit playing 8 tables, maybe start with 2 and work your way up. If turning a profit was easy, everyone would be doing it. You can't expect to just make profit without a lot of hard work.

    I would recommend starting out with 2 tables, and trying to find an area where you have an edge and then build on that. Agression in the correct areas is key, as well as the ability to win flips ;)

    Good luck.
  3. darinpd darinpd is offline

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    Jun 18th, 2010 (6/18/2010 5:20am) in reply to Zunga

    You should check out Collin Moshmans SnG strategy if you havent already, its a decent read. Or just google sng poker and some good material comes up on that too. are you playing turbos? mainly just tighten up in the beggining and be aware of position. in the later stages loosen up accordingly and keep an eye on other ppls stack sizes. and also what zunga said reduce your # of tables till you get a better feel for the structure of the tournament and you can make the best decisions in all instances.
  4. salesbeast salesbeast is offline

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    Jun 18th, 2010 (6/18/2010 5:43am) in reply to darinpd

    Stop playing 8 tables until you understand this. You need to understand SNG's are all about chipping up and not mixing in spots oop just play ABC until 2 or 3 from money bubble then exploit.
  5. delinquent1 delinquent1 is offline

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    Jun 18th, 2010 (6/18/2010 7:33am) in reply to salesbeast

    hello, i just couldn't help but read your thread. just a bit about me, I just basically started playing poker again summer '09 after a 3 year sabatacle due to a full-time job. if you take a look at my sharkscope on tilt (delinquent1), the bottom of the graph was due to me finding my game and fiddling with what sng games i can beat. it was just until january '10 when my game took off. right now, i play turbo sng's at the micro level. if you want some help, pm me and i'm sure i can look at some of your games.

    edit: if you like multitabling, try to start with 2 tables, and add 2 more tables when you reach the sixth blind level in the first two. helps with making decisions in late sng stages b/c most of the time in the early stages you are folding
    Edited By: delinquent1 Jun 18th, 2010 at 07:36 AM
  6. gillabong gillabong is offline

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    Jun 18th, 2010 (6/18/2010 7:55am) in reply to delinquent1

    maybe, switch to non turbos for a bit ?
  7. djsickdog djsickdog is offline

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    Jun 18th, 2010 (6/18/2010 1:47pm) in reply to gillabong

    im playin non turbo sngs, i play since december 2007 I started with sngs, and then switch to mtts, at the biginning of this year i tried cash short stack strategy , the game where i feel the best is mtt, but i think its the hardest game to build a roll
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  8. lind0 lind0 is offline

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    Jun 18th, 2010 (6/18/2010 6:31pm) in reply to djsickdog

    I think you need to work on adjusting on the bubble, and also your 3 handed and heads up game. Here's a couple of things you might be able to work on right away.

    1. On the bubble, when there is a very short stack at the table and you have a medium stack, you absolutely must not bust. Correct strategy is to wait him out. If a big stack moves in on you during this time, you can't call with even JJ or AK. Sometimes even QQ and KK aren't good enough if the situation is extreme. Of course you will win chips in the long run by calling, but you'll actually lose money because you'll bust 20% of the time or more. Make sure you understand the difference between chip equity and $$ equity. It's the key to strong bubble play. Folding your way to the money is not how to win in mtt's, but it is a standard strategy in sngs with a certain stack size.

    2. If you are the big stack, you must punish the medium stacks for the reason I said above. If they're any good, they'll know to play super tight. If a medium stack opens, move in any two cards and force them to fold. Also, open as many hands as you can get away with pre for a small raise. Be careful though. There's no point in moving in on a guy who doesn't understand the concept and will call with AJ. Also be mindful of an opponent who will get sick of being pushed around and make a stand incorrectly. Know your opponent and don't overdo it.

    3. Sometimes it's correct to allow the micro stack to stay alive when you are the big stack and dominating the bubble. Bleed the medium stacks as far as you can before busting someone. This is kind of advanced, and I don't recommend it that often. Make sure you've mastered big stack bubble situations and can actually dominate a table before you attempt it. There's certainly a fine line between just taking the cash...

    Anyway, that's a start. Good luck.
    Edited By: lind0 Jun 18th, 2010 at 06:40 PM
  9. Polar_Bears Polar_Bears is offline

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    Jun 18th, 2010 (6/18/2010 7:53pm) in reply to lind0

    Take coaching lessons with Jennifear....period.
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    Jun 18th, 2010 (6/18/2010 7:55pm) in reply to salesbeast

     
    Originally Posted by salesbeast View Post

    You need to understand SNG's are all about chipping up and not mixing in spots oop just play ABC until 2 or 3 from money bubble then exploit.

    these two statements highly contradict each other
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  11. delinquent1 delinquent1 is offline

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    Jun 18th, 2010 (6/18/2010 8:47pm) in reply to lind0

     
    Originally Posted by lind0 View Post

    I think you need to work on adjusting on the bubble, and also your 3 handed and heads up game. Here's a couple of things you might be able to work on right away.

    1. On the bubble, when there is a very short stack at the table and you have a medium stack, you absolutely must not bust. Correct strategy is to wait him out. If a big stack moves in on you during this time, you can't call with even JJ or AK. Sometimes even QQ and KK aren't good enough if the situation is extreme. Of course you will win chips in the long run by calling, but you'll actually lose money because you'll bust 20% of the time or more. Make sure you understand the difference between chip equity and $$ equity. It's the key to strong bubble play. Folding your way to the money is not how to win in mtt's, but it is a standard strategy in sngs with a certain stack size.

    2. If you are the big stack, you must punish the medium stacks for the reason I said above. If they're any good, they'll know to play super tight. If a medium stack opens, move in any two cards and force them to fold. Also, open as many hands as you can get away with pre for a small raise. Be careful though. There's no point in moving in on a guy who doesn't understand the concept and will call with AJ. Also be mindful of an opponent who will get sick of being pushed around and make a stand incorrectly. Know your opponent and don't overdo it.

    3. Sometimes it's correct to allow the micro stack to stay alive when you are the big stack and dominating the bubble. Bleed the medium stacks as far as you can before busting someone. This is kind of advanced, and I don't recommend it that often. Make sure you've mastered big stack bubble situations and can actually dominate a table before you attempt it. There's certainly a fine line between just taking the cash...

    Anyway, that's a start. Good luck.

    this is good advice. implement these tactics in your bubble play, and you'll see more results.
    Edited By: delinquent1 Jun 18th, 2010 at 08:52 PM
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