Very torn on this hand.....what do you guys think, was this a good spot to gamble?

the reason I'm torn is because I have more then enough chips to play but it just seems like to nice of a spot to pass up and obv. I'm looking to win

Full Tilt Poker Game #23777721980: $12,000 Rush Guar (Rebuy) (183665015), Table 284 - 400/800 Ante 100 - No Limit Hold'em - 09:53:41 ET - 2010/09/10
Seat 1: Silverstar67 (92,528)
Seat 2: villian (86,288)
Seat 3: villian (28,713)
Seat 4: unpredactable (109,278)
Seat 5: hero (80,202)
Seat 6: newfie girl 66 (18,233)
Seat 7: xCHIPCLOWNx (76,397)
Seat 8: mazli1002 (16,412)
Seat 9: Freddy7913 (18,662)
Silverstar67 antes 100
acennine antes 100
bojjo123456 antes 100
unpredactable antes 100
hero antes 100
newfie girl 66 antes 100
xCHIPCLOWNx antes 100
mazli1002 antes 100
Freddy7913 antes 100
acennine posts the small blind of 400
bojjo123456 posts the big blind of 800
The button is in seat #1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to cromi01 [Kh Ah]
unpredactable raises to 1,600
hero calls 1,600
newfie girl 66 folds
xCHIPCLOWNx folds
mazli1002 has 15 seconds left to act
mazli1002 folds
Freddy7913 folds
Silverstar67 folds
acennine calls 1,200
bojjo123456 calls 800
*** FLOP *** [Jh Kd 8h]
acennine bets 8,000
villian raises to 27,013, and is all in
unpredactable folds
hero has 15 seconds left to act
hero raises to 78,502, and is all in
acennine calls 70,502
hero shows [Kh Ah]
acennine shows [Js 8s]
bojjo123456 shows [Jd 8d]
*** TURN *** [Jh Kd 8h] [Ts]
*** RIVER *** [Jh Kd 8h Ts] [2s]

easy fold on the flop i dont see how you can be ahead there.
You should 3bet pre flop all the time i mean you dontt want to see a 4 way flop with AK that deep (100BB effective). Noww if you tell you flated iin order to let someone squizz and then hide the sttrenght of your hand I can understand a flat but since it diddnt happen you really need to fold on a heavy draw board like that which can hit KJ ThQh 88 you are behind pretty much everytime

Sorry I'm blind to all that hero villian bs. See it now. I hate the flat inviting the world to call.

Must re-raise pre-flop to iso or win right there. They prolly both fold pre if you make it 4500ish pre flop.

 

Originally Posted by 33mikemcg

Must re-raise pre-flop to iso or win right there. They prolly both fold pre if you make it 4500ish pre flop.

Or you can flat and get stuck in the kind of situation you got in. I think the 3 bet is the right move there 100 percent of the time.

lol do you even post this if you win the hand? prob not
flat pre is fine, just flip better

 

Originally Posted by thedylan

lol do you even post this if you win the hand? prob not
flat pre is fine, just flip better

lol of course I don't post it......all I wanted to know was when that flop comes do you put in a well above average stack in in order to be a chip leader with about 240 left.....is it worth it.....

 

Originally Posted by Brunson10

lol of course I don't post it......all I wanted to know was when that flop comes do you put in a well above average stack in in order to be a chip leader with about 240 left.....is it worth it.....

As played I'm not folding. If played right you don't have to deal with this gross spot.

I love gambling...so yes i take this every single time.....i do agree raise pre i mean i understand you can flat and its not the worst play but you dont want that to happen and invite every blind and the button in with hands like the ones that beaata you etc...curious though if someone comes over top after u flatted...do u fold?

 

Originally Posted by joeyrulesall

How do you continue to defend the play when you saw first hand why you should never flat in that specific situation?

lol what?.........first I'm not defending anything I already stated that a high percentage of time I 3bet.........second.. saw what? I really don't mind them having those hands there....I think ur being a bit results oriented.....they had worse then I thought.....all I really wanted to know was if other players get it in there with my stack at that particular level

 

Originally Posted by Itghtuhadkk

I love gambling...so yes i take this every single time.....i do agree raise pre i mean i understand you can flat and its not the worst play but you dont want that to happen and invite every blind and the button in with hands like the ones that beaata you etc...curious though if someone comes over top after u flatted...do u fold?

I'd say it would depend on their stack and my image of them.......I think a solid player with 15-30bb's behind us shoves pretty wide so I would probably call of......again depends on the image of the guy shoving and his stack size

 

Originally Posted by Pezzo

There is notihng terrible or horrible about your play. I think half the haters in this thread didnt even read the hand, since they list hands for you to fear that you are way ahead of.. Def can make an argument for 3-betting, but it isnt the only way to play it. I dont see many people folding TPTK with the nut draw given the action so far, I wouldn't short of having some read on the initial post flop raiser as super tight.

Most of the posters ITT need to read Nats article today imo.

ty.....not for sticking up for my play......but understanding what I'm asking

 

Originally Posted by thedylan

lol do you even post this if you win the hand? prob not
flat pre is fine, just flip better

This... Think ur just steaming. Your getting in there every time after the flop. Why you talk about gamble??

 

Originally Posted by decamps

easy fold on the flop i dont see how you can be ahead there.
You should 3bet pre flop all the time i mean you dontt want to see a 4 way flop with AK that deep (100BB effective). Noww if you tell you flated iin order to let someone squizz and then hide the sttrenght of your hand I can understand a flat but since it diddnt happen you really need to fold on a heavy draw board like that which can hit KJ ThQh 88 you are behind pretty much everytime

Um...what? there may be no way he's ahead but he has TPTK AND nut flush draw. Never in any tourney am i folding this at that point.

3 bet pre like, 90% of the time imo. but I'm fine with a flat every now and then. post flop get it in every single time. some ppl itt can't read hand histories properly apparently.

How much more are you wanting to flop here.....straight flush?....to get it in. I am happily shoving em in the middle with this flop as the hand was played.