after gettin fkkd by us gov't...netteller ....and now possibly the sites themselves
it's obvious we need to stand together to force the poker sites to listen to us.
are we getting cheated by both other players and the sites too??..
if its true that AP employees/owner blantantly cheated us then why isn't it
LIKELY its happenned before and may again...we need to group together
and force the sites to listen and take action....or we will NOT play the site..
how can we trust them when they're NOT regulated but only regulate
themselves when its obv so ez to STEAL our money...

how can we do this??...we need INDEPENDENT UNPAID above spokesman
to speak for us...who??...i can think of a few ....if we are serious it CAN WORK..

as you know i worked for / with ub recently to try making it a better place for us all..
i always believed they cared and the previous owners really were making a lil
progress b4 AP took over.....then all changed and i saw nothing to make me
believe AP was doing anything to fix/ improve ub's issues so sayonara leggggggggy.

as far as ganks post i can say this....just about everything i know he said is true...
software definitely not working right with hugh unrepairable glitches ...
customer service never improved and to get anything fixed its who do u know
to help...the cash games shdn't be played....i reported 100's of cheats and
even as AMBASSADOR i got 0 feedback as to either their findings or them
fixing the problems.....

yess u can have many names on ub and yes u can sit at same table...
i've been tellin u all this with the hopes UB would see the need to
put in firewalls to prevent multi- acct'ers from cheatin me-u- but
i guess it doesnt matter cause i told them / showed them 2 yrs ago...

then theres the DP cheats who have therir own way of acceptable cheating
and again UB been FIXING for years.....

as far as super-user accounts in all my years playing and hearing complaints
i NEVER saw or heard it ever come up.....but now that AP OWNS UB..
and IF ap mgmt is capable of cheating us then its obviously possible...

not to single out UB why cant it happen on any other site as well??
we must stand together and watchdog these sites to protect our selves..

i do know also team UB is still doing what they can for us....and hopefully
willalways will be there..ho/debo /shawn 3 most honest caring guys u ever would meet..

but how can we openly trust a site once we KNOW they are cheating us..
how can we tell they are looking out for us??

only 1 way.....by the action they take when theres a problem...

wake up sites....its time us players who let them make ka-zillions a year
from us DEMAND action...

i just wanna play poker and lose after the hands over not b4 it !!

Ok,
Who hacked Legggys P5 account? That was not written by him.

preach on man

what has to happen for the sake of online poker's future is for the community to get as organized and the gaming commission. If you cheat in vegas, get caught, it's prison. This doesn't stop cheating but it sure does temper it.

over the short period online poker has been available it's been treated like a video game. If you can find an edge to help you win then you take it. For a long time there were many many players who thought with a nascar mentallity (if you aint cheatin, you aint tryin'). What people need to realize is this is not a video game, it's real money and cheating for the amount of money on the line is (or should be) a felony.

I haven't seen this stance taken before, i've heard some of the people scream take their money, that'll show em. I say lock em up, that's what we do to other thieves. Unfortunately, the responsibilty of fixing or atleast regulating online poker falls on the players themselves but with people like Gank and Leggggy out there, there is hope.

PPA? it's a start

"i just wanna play poker and lose after the hands over not b4 it !!"

LOOOOOOOOOOL and agree 100%

good post but why sound like a rastafarian all the sudden?

dude fck the US government you cannot trust those homos... who knows what schemes they could be thinking of next. aslfk;ajsfoiawefjawsldk;ajfeoias;dk

<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=6 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD>eGaming Licensing and Regulation
by Willywoo on 10/22/2007 03:05 </TD><TD><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD></TD><TD></TD></TR><TR><TD></TD><TD></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR><TR><TD><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=2 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD>The Absolute Poker situation has provided me the incentive to think more in depth about online gaming and the issues of trust, security and regulation.

Most people probably have some understanding from playing in brick and mortor casinos as to what the functions of a gaming commission and gamingcontrol board are, essentially they are responsible for licensing,investigations, technology, audits, tax matters and enforcement of laws and regulations.

The bottomline is that, they ensure that the public has confidence that the gaming industry is operated fairly and competitively.

But what about in the online world? There are clearly gaming commissions. Kahnawake and Alderney, for example.

In the world of online poker, the leading sites appear to be licensed by either the Kahnawake Gaming Commission or the Alderney Gaming Commission. Bodog seems to have its own licensing body, the Morris Mohawk Gaming Commission and I cannot see from its website where Players Only is licensed, or if they are.

I am not aware that an egaming company is even required to be licensed by anyone.

What is the purpose of an egaming commission?

It could be the same as for the brick and mortor gaming industry, to ensure public confidence that the licensees are operating fairly .

Or, it could be that they exist simply to provide a physical location for servers with the added marketing benefit of the existence a perceived gaming authority complete with regulations and enforcement mechanisms.

The Absolute Poker fiasco has brought some light to the relationships of the Kahnawake Gaming Commission with its licensees and it willingness, or lack thereof, to take action with respect to its licensees. As I understand the KGC regulations, the KGC has the power to suspend or revoke the license of Absolute Poker pending a full hearing and investigation. Why has it not taken this action? Why has it failed to offer any statement on this matter?

An online poker player could reasonably conclude that the KGC is merely a sham organization formed as a marketing ploy to make it appear tha egaming sites are licensed and regulated. Certainly regulations exist. But what good are those regulations if they are not used when it is appropriate? I can not imagine a situation that would call for action on the part of a regulating body more than this Absolute Poker matter.

Thus, no matter what happens with respect to a resolution of the Absolute Poker mess, it is clear that there is not adequate regulation of egaming companies. Furthermore, while a resolution may indeed be reached in this case, it will only result because of the vigilance of a few astute players and the extremely fortunate occurance of one player being handed a smoking gun by an AP insider. Somehow this doesn't make me feel too much better about what has happened.

Aggrieved players must have some place to go if their grievances are not resolved by the company.

My next concern is with those egaming companies who continue to operate under a licensed issued by the Kahnawake Gaming Commission. Why would Poker stars and Full Tilt and others licensed by the KGC want to continue their association with this entity after what has happened with Absolute Poker. The only reason I can think of are that they, like Absolute Poker, do not want to be regulated, but want to enjoy the benefits of being able to claim that they are licensed and regulated and they think that players will not care that there is no real regulation because they simply trust the site to treat them fairly.

My own personal experience is that Poker Stars has treated me fairly and I believe it to be run honestly and with integrity, but I am sure people felt the same way about Absolute Poker a month ago.

I realize that most people are focused on the fact that the cheated players in the AP situation may indeed be reimbursed for their losses, but the bigger issue is whether situations like this can be avoided in the future and if they do occur will the players have to rely on their fellow players to investigate and discover that internal security breaches have occurred or should the companies be licensed and regulated by a real gaming commission that is willing and able to investigate and resolve player complaints?

This is the bigger issue because we are in the midst of making progress in obtaining legislation that will make it easier for US citizens to play online. When our congressman see what has occurred with Absolute Poker it will be easy for them to be convinced that their worst fears about online poker are in fact real, and that it should not be allowed in the US.

One of the primary concerns about online gaming is that it operates in an uncontrolled environment that will allow and encourage such things as money laundering and participation by under aged individuals. If egaming companies cannot even run their own games fairly, how can they be expected to prevent these other anticipated evils?

The moral of all of this is that egaming companies, especially the good, honest and competent ones, had better get their plan together to combat the damage done to the entire industry by the Absolute Poker fiasco, if they want to keep and expand their American player base.

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Problem is so many people that play poker value money over integrity...

They go where the 'value' is...

They look out for themselves and not the industry...

What i want to see is some players that regulary play on UB/AP now come out and join our party...they/we all know who they are...

Hey, how many of you are playing in the UB 200k today.....yup....thats what i thought..its good value and pos EV...

His writing is pretty unmistakable. This is him.

I <3 leggggggggggy.

sign me up for the union. I believe it'll be the voice of the majority of us that will make a difference (cash, big buyin, low limit)...ALL. I hope someone can step up and maybe initiate this and someone that has the respect of the community.

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QFMFT

The only way we can do ANYTHING is to get people to stop playing on these sites that are cheating us. Unfortunately that will NEVER happen. Hell, I was one of the biggest UB supporters out there...for them to have lost me...a die hard UB player, says a lot about the site.

UBTommy leaving was the last straw for me.

Anyway, the point is, there are too many players that are too stupid to stop playing. So what, we get a few hundred people to stop? Not going to matter to them, it will change nothing. I dont mean to be pessimistic, but you have to be realistic as well.

It wouldnt suprise me the least bit if all the sites were riged an scaming players but like u said as long as i keep making money im gonna play but dont get me wrong i play everyday and i feel like its riged i just find it funny that most of the tournys last the same amount of time (stgs) and u play LIVE stgs an some end in 10 min some 1.5 hr just my thought, not to metion FT Qs that pop off an finishs wit in minutes of the ME start time, think about it

Legggggggggggy,
Thanks for starting this. Hopefuly you and Gank can get this done. Alot of us just don't know anyone on the inside and emails don't seem to get anywhere like you explained. I have had the privilege of playing with you at a few tables in the past on UB but have recently deleted my account. You are a class act and I appreciate what you are doing. Even when you stopped me from winning a seat to the WSOP in a satellite one Christmas Eve, lol. I still have not forgot that.