Hi, yesterday I've squeezed in the following hand and I'd like to ask you all if it makes sense to squeeze here in this spot and what to do after initialraiser repops?

pokerstars Game #61936546930: Tournament #420010492, $10+$1 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XXIII (1250/2500) - 2011/05/10 18:11:41 ET
Table '420010492 329' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: Absurdum1 (67776 in chips)
Seat 2: gazzabeau (145793 in chips)
Seat 4: kokon83 (124355 in chips)
Seat 5: sebbl235 (100471 in chips)
Seat 6: flushmester (62008 in chips)
Seat 7: Flux00 (31903 in chips)
Seat 8: AMasta89 (217876 in chips)
Seat 9: aJarov (41712 in chips)
Absurdum1: posts the ante 310
gazzabeau: posts the ante 310
kokon83: posts the ante 310
sebbl235: posts the ante 310
flushmester: posts the ante 310
Flux00: posts the ante 310
AMasta89: posts the ante 310
aJarov: posts the ante 310
kokon83: posts small blind 1250
sebbl235: posts big blind 2500
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to AMasta89 [9h 9s]
flushmester: raises 3055 to 5555
Flux00: calls 5555
AMasta89: raises 9444 to 14999
aJarov: folds
Absurdum1: folds
gazzabeau: folds
kokon83: folds
sebbl235: folds
flushmester: raises 46699 to 61698 and is all-in
Flux00: folds
AMasta89:?

So is it better to just call here preflop for set-mining or do you like a squeeze here in this spot?

What is my action after villain shoves? With a range of [77+,AJs+,AJo+] it is 53.65/46.35 for him. Would you agree to this range??

But I've already invested 15k into this pot.

So what would you do here and does it make sense to squeeze here?

Btw Player has no decent results at all. Thanks!!

it does feel like AK there though it might be value town. Your range isn't bad if it's an aggro player. if he's a nit it's a lot tighter. I'm calling the laggy guy, folding probably to the nit (though I don't 3bet the nit)

What was your plan when you 3bet if someone 4bets behind or raiser shoves?

prob depends a lot on read of utg raiser.

- Other than the UTG raisers' lack of results do you have any other insight into his range UTG? I wouldn't be 3-betting too often here unless the player is very active and has shown down trash from UTG. If you do 3-bet you could make it smaller also, like 12,999.

- I feel the range you assigned him of AJ+, 77+ is very loose for an UTG 4-bet shove. For a random with 26bbs I would say AKo+, TT+ - This range crushes you.

-Flat calling pre to set mine is borderline but you can do it since we have a multiway pot and your flat will bring the big blind into the pot also. Though if we flat we are vulnerable to squeezes so at an aggro table its not a good idea.

 

Originally Posted by Sagacious Man

- Other than the UTG raisers' lack of results do you have any other insight into his range UTG? I wouldn't be 3-betting too often here unless the player is very active and has shown down trash from UTG. If you do 3-bet you could make it smaller also, like 12,999.

- I feel the range you assigned him of AJ+, 77+ is very loose for an UTG 4-bet shove. For a random with 26bbs I would say AKo+, TT+ - This range crushes you.

-Flat calling pre to set mine is borderline but you can do it since we have a multiway pot and your flat will bring the big blind into the pot also. Though if we flat we are vulnerable to squeezes so at an aggro table its not a good idea.

no I had no other reads on his range there.. only thing I knew is the fact, he had no decent profits in mtts :) range might be much tighter, but villain is not a nit all i can say, so it is possible that he shoves 77+ here also..

so there is 6230 chips in the pot pre, after the raise and the call there are 11100+6230= 17230 chips in the pot now add your 14999 and there are 32229 chips in the pot and after this guy shoves there are 88372 chips in the pot and you need 46699 chips to call the shove.
in order to breakeven on the call you need about ~34.5% equity vs his 4bet shoving range (46699/(88372+46699))*100 =34,573... (hope i didnt fuck up here somewhere... somewhat tired)

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 66.755% 65.62% 01.14% 343809864 5963178.00 { 99+, AQs+, AKo }
Hand 1: 33.245% 32.11% 01.14% 168228804 5963178.00 { 99 }

if hes shoving that tight the call is a slight losing call (if you add in AQo your equity vs his range goes up to 37.462, which basically makes it a crime to fold)

if he shoves as wide, as you said you think he is (77+ AJs+ AJo+)

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 53.652% 52.91% 00.74% 494675232 6924342.00 { 77+, AJs+, AJo+ }
Hand 1: 46.348% 45.61% 00.74% 426394068 6924342.00 { 99 }

you would give up ~12% equity by 3b/folding here (you have 46.3% while only needing 34.5 to make it a +ev play to 3b/c here), which would be a HUGE misstake.
im sure you could calculate the 12% equity back to the chip value you'd lose everytime you 3b/f here but im way too lazy to do that... should be clear anyway

 

Originally Posted by tyson219

However, confused on whether or not you're saying 3-betting pre is a good line? Seems to me that it's borderline and add in the fact that someone left to act can wake up with JJ+ about 7-8% of the time, I would think folding is better.

I mean it depends on a ton of factors obv... in a vacuum I'd agree tho that folding pre is prolly best here... I mean if both players are huge idiots I'm never folding, but they have to be pretty pretty pretty dumb before i get excited about having 9s in this spot.

I'm just saying once the first misstake (3betting) is done, 3b folding makes matters either worse or way worse, depending on the range that guy is actually 4b jamming here.
And if I know that the 2nd guys is flat/folding that stack a bunch and that the first guy rly gets in 77+AJo+AJs+ 3b/c certainly is the best option... both assumptions aren't very likely in general tho.

edit: fml for doing the math, didn't see you allready did it haha

these spots are always fun. I like the 3b pre if you're gonna play this hand and dont see myself folding here. As played I call because my image is always tarnished by some donk spew bluff. If you're lagg its an easy call.

thank you guys