Originally Posted by The Spewtard

successful underage players pretty much start with 0 BRs so your logic here is pretty retarded whether they MA or not is a separate issue.

I am sorry, I don't associate myself with underage players, nor do I help them fund their accounts, so I really wouldn't know specifics, like yourself , about this illicit activity. You can think it's a seperate issue, but all the shadyness needs to stop and if that means some american can't deposit and inturn it reduces the MAing and cheating, then so be it. And if you don't like my logic on that, GFY.

What assumption? you do some research on players that have been caught cheating/MAing for every confirmed case you come across, record the nationality of the player(s) involved. No matter whether there is the odd Canadian, the US goverment is putting these laws in, according to how US players have conducted themselves, not Canadians. I am not naive enough to think Canadian players don't cheat aswell, no of course they do, but do I feel bad when americans can't deposit? not at all, I just see the end result, and it's a cleaner game.

I agree with what you're saying dtools.

"the JJprodigy's of the world will always be around regardless of how many people you inconvenience here in the states "

Your right, but I still would rather them inconvenience all the other Americans, it's just how I feel, and it will clean up the game, whether it be even the slightest. Am I being considerate in that opinion? NO! Do I care? NO. If your argument is that I am an asshole, then yes, guilty as charged.

"So needless to say more of the cheating players are going to be American's strictly by the numbers."

And this what I am looking at, so there may be a lot of fair players not able to deposit in the states, that is just toooo bad for you, and if you think guilty by association doesn't apply, tell that to your goverment, I am not making the rules, I just agree with them. There is nothing else to really discuss, that is how I feel, take it or leave it.

 

Originally Posted by Juanda 87

I agree with what you're saying dtools.

"the JJprodigy's of the world will always be around regardless of how many people you inconvenience here in the states "

Your right, but I still would rather them inconvenience all the other Americans, it's just how I feel, and it will clean up the game, whether it be even the slightest. Am I being considerate in that opinion? NO! Do I care? NO. If your argument is that I am an asshole, then yes, guilty as charged.

"So needless to say more of the cheating players are going to be American's strictly by the numbers."

And this what I am looking at, so there may be a lot of fair players not able to deposit in the states, that is just toooo bad for you, and if you think guilty by association doesn't apply, tell that to your goverment, I am not making the rules, I just agree with them. There is nothing else to really discuss, that is how I feel, take it or leave it.

Fine. I would rather them restrict all Canadians from playing/depositing. After all, "it will clean up the game, whether it be even the slightest."

Faulty logic is faulty.

 

Originally Posted by Juanda 87

I agree with what you're saying dtools.

"the JJprodigy's of the world will always be around regardless of how many people you inconvenience here in the states "

Your right, but I still would rather them inconvenience all the other Americans, it's just how I feel, and it will clean up the game, whether it be even the slightest. Am I being considerate in that opinion? NO! Do I care? NO. If your argument is that I am an asshole, then yes, guilty as charged.

"So needless to say more of the cheating players are going to be American's strictly by the numbers."

And this what I am looking at, so there may be a lot of fair players not able to deposit in the states, that is just toooo bad for you, and if you think guilty by association doesn't apply, tell that to your goverment, I am not making the rules, I just agree with them. There is nothing else to really discuss, that is how I feel, take it or leave it.

Two very simple problems with your logic:

1) If you ban the US players, there is no more online poker. We make up more of the industry than any other nationality and you will see a ton of sites simply become shells of themselves. The poker boom across the globe is fueled by what happens in the US and if you take that away, not only will the online world suffer but so will the live world.

2) You're setting a terrible precedent for how to handle this. So when the next Canadian gets caught cheating, all Canadians will be banned to keep that one person from playing anymore? That makes no sense from a business standpoint for either the sites or the players. Before long the games will just dry up if you just keep kicking different groups out.

EDIT: My argument isn't that you're an asshole, it's that your opinion is dangerous and ignorent. You are making the same discriminatory decisions that people in the US made about blacks in the 40s and 50s. It's illegal and ridiculous, but most other countries have never experienced a human rights movement as we did here with regard to black rights so I don't expect many outside the US to understand.

My point isn't that you're an asshole, it's that you're a racist.