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  1. DJLampshade DJLampshade is offline

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    Apr 9th, 2005 (4/9/2005 6:29am)

    Would anyone else here make this call with 11 people left? 6 people at my table in the 10$ tourney ive got about 10k chips, blinds are 1k/2k, I raise minimum to 4k with A4 suited.. everyone folds to BB who calls with 8 3 off suit.. i mean please 8 3 off.. flop comes 8 8 6.. not wasting any time after he checks i go all in doubting he'll call. Anyways im out just missing the final table. I was short stack with 10k btw but 1 swing puts me back in it. Bad All in on my part or worse preflop call by him.. He had about 25k before the call btw.
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    Apr 9th, 2005 (4/9/2005 7:43am) in reply to DJLampshade

    Given that particular circumstance it was a good all-in by you if you were playing to win the tourny, it was a good percentage play. At least 67% of the time your going to win it out right and you will win 37% of the other 33% for at least an expected 80% win rate. Along with that 80% expected win rate comes the risk of the 20% of the time you will lose, one doesn't come without the other. This time you were setup successfully by a bigger stack, happens.

    A better play would have been to just go for the BB by going all-in preflop, this is what I would have done in a heartbeat.

    dela
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    Apr 9th, 2005 (4/9/2005 8:05am) in reply to delaReine

    I had been doing that for a while.. but I got a bad beat earlier so I just wanted to see if i was dominated without risking my entire tourney life. I still dont understand how anyone can call with 3 8 off.. i always fold this hand immediately no matter what the circumstance, dont see how the guy called that close to the end.. had been playing solid all night then that shit happens, but youre right about %, its poker nothing i can do about it

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  4. delaReine delaReine is offline

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    Apr 9th, 2005 (4/9/2005 8:43am) in reply to DJLampshade

    Obviously he felt that he could take you off the hand if you didn't bet off the flop. I do the same types of things to small stacks just prior to the money and the final table, standard procedure.

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    Apr 9th, 2005 (4/9/2005 9:16am) in reply to delaReine

    I didnt check the flop, he checked and i went all in, and 10k isnt that small a stack considering 1st place only had 50k chips
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    Apr 9th, 2005 (4/9/2005 11:28am) in reply to DJLampshade

    DJ while his play is definitely questionable, I think you have to raise more than the minimum at this level of the tournament. The min. bet might have been for protection purposes, in terms of still having enough chips to lay the hand down if somebody pushes. But with the small raise, you are a) begging him to see the flop with you and b) giving him the right odds to call, considering most of the money in the pot is already his own. With blinds/antes so huge at this point of the tournament, I think you have to go balls to the walls and push with your A4 suit to take them down right there.
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    Apr 9th, 2005 (4/9/2005 11:57am) in reply to gboro780

    he checked the flop only AFTER he flopped a set of 8s...

    my bet is...if he misses, he still puts you to the test with a bet instead of slow playing trips.
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    Apr 9th, 2005 (4/9/2005 2:18pm) in reply to DJLampshade

    The bottom line is you can't ever control your opponents' play, only your own. I have one play if the blinds are 1k/2k and I have 10k in chips. That play is "all in." You don't have enough chips to play a flop--you have to use the tiny bit of leverage you have by pushing all in to try and buy the blinds with any decent hand and/or hope to get lucky when you get called, and this was a good situation to shove your chips in. In your later post you talk about wanting to make sure you're not dominated--you can do this with a bigger stack, but you don't have that luxary when you're down to 5x the big blind. You have to shove em in and hope for the best.

    EDITED, small addition: A4 is about a 57% favorite against a random hand. By raising only the min, you give most hands (including even 8 3 offsuit) the proper odds to call. Use the small amount of leverage you still have with 5x the big blind and push this guy out before the flop!

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    Apr 9th, 2005 (4/9/2005 7:42pm) in reply to Adam

    Alright thanks man.. I'll keep that in mind next time im near the end. Usually im used to playing tight/aggressive making it to the final table with an avg. stack. This is the first tourney I was able to accumulate a giant chip stack so I was trying to push around the table for a while but got caught trying to steal someones blinds a few times and it kinda hurt. For most of the tourney i'd bet the pot (little over 5k) and most of the time people would fold. Guess I just slipped up.. it WAS 6:20 am and I was up all night so probably wasn't on top of my game either.

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